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*2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby gws226 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:39 pm

I think its hard to put Astericks on records, and championships but based purely on the mitchell report, I'd have to say if there ever was a case to put an asterick on a record/event... My vote would go to the 2000 Yankees World title.

There were 8 players on the roster that are directly mentioned in the Mitchell report.
1. Clemens
2. Pettite
3. David Justice
4. Jose Canseco
5. Chuck Knoublach
6. Denny Neagle
7. Mike Stanton
8. Jason Grimsley

For the sake of history, the players in the report contributed....
3 Wins: Game 1,2,5
28.1 Innings, 7R, 5ER

Game 1: Difference Maker: Knoblauch scores tying run in bottom of the ninth
Game 2: Difference Maker: David Justice scores on Jeter single in 5th (mets go on to score 5 in bottom of the ninth, but come up one run short) lose 6-5
Game 4: Difference Maker: With 2 on and 1 out in the 8th, Stanton comes on and strikes out both Trammel and Harris to end the threat.

General contributions:

Game 1: NYY 4 NYM 3
Justice: 1/4 2RBI
Knoblouch: 1/4 1RBI

Petitte: 6.2 Innings: 3 Runs
Staton: 1W, 1 inning 0 runs

Game 2: NYY 6 NYM 5
Clemens: 1 Win, 8innings, 0 runs, 9K

Game 3 NYM 4, NYY 2

Game 4 NYY 3, NYM 2
Neagle: 4.2 Innings, 2ER
With 2 on, and 1 Out Stanton comes on and strikes out the side

Game 5- NYY 4 NYM 2
Petitte 7IP 2R 0ER
Stanton: Win 1IP
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby thedude » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:46 pm

I would bet everything i own that every world series champion since the early 1990s (and many from the 1980s) had juicers on them.


BTW this is going to get ugly.
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby thedude » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:47 pm

thedude wrote:I would bet everything i own that every world series champion since the early 1990s (and many from the 1980s) had juicers on them.


BTW this is going to get ugly.



The yankees only have more guys named because radomski was from NY.
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby J35J » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:49 pm

thedude wrote:I would bet everything i own that every world series champion since the early 1990s (and many from the 1980s) had juicers on them.


BTW this is going to get ugly.


...who's to say there wasn't scandal of "some kind", "any kind" during the 70's, 60's, 50's, 40's, 30's, 20's, 10's, etc, etc. This steriod talk is sooooo old and a waste of time!!
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby gws226 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:51 pm

thedude wrote:
thedude wrote:I would bet everything i own that every world series champion since the early 1990s (and many from the 1980s) had juicers on them.


BTW this is going to get ugly.



The yankees only have more guys named because radomski was from NY.


You do realize that radomski was a Mets trainer??
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby thedude » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:01 pm

gws226 wrote:
thedude wrote:
thedude wrote:I would bet everything i own that every world series champion since the early 1990s (and many from the 1980s) had juicers on them.


BTW this is going to get ugly.



The yankees only have more guys named because radomski was from NY.


You do realize that radomski was a Mets trainer??



I should have said Radomski and McNamee were New York guys. It is a proximity thing. Just like when they busted Balco there mostly Giants and A's implicated. If they bust a trainer in Gold's Gym in Boston, then there will be Red Sox (probably guys from 2004 and 2007) implicated. If the feds bust a drug lab in fort wayne guys from the astros and Rangers might get caught.
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby Field » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:11 pm

Haven't we all graduated from the asterick stage yet?

Why not just stamp an asterick on the entire record book so everyone can be happy?


Better yet, let's substitute the asterick for a ^. I've always liked the way carrots looked. :-°
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby KCollins1304 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:14 pm

If you think that the Yankees were the only team to ever have juicers, then you are very naive. If you think that the Mitchell Report named all or even half of the people to have used PEDs, then you are even more naive.
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Postby Old_Style » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:23 pm

What's everybody's fascination with asterisks?
The Cincinnati Reds beat the Chicago White Sox in the 1919 World Series. Nobody ever put an asterisk next to the Reds, saying they won it because the series was fixed.
Until Jackie Robinson broke the color line, African American ball players didn't play in the majors. Why not put an asterisk next to every record before 1947?
Roger Maris broke Babe Ruth's single season home run record in a 162 game season, while Ruth only had a 150 games season to work with. Asterisk?
Let the records stand. The "asterisk" will be memories, recollections, and what people say about the records throughout the years.
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Re: *2000 World Champs: NYY* and the fate of the sport.

Postby gws226 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:35 pm

KCollins1304 wrote:If you think that the Yankees were the only team to ever have juicers, then you are very naive. If you think that the Mitchell Report named all or even half of the people to have used PEDs, then you are even more naive.


The Mitchell report failed to mention many players that are considered "common knowledge" for the sake of argument I ommitted any names that have come from sources other then the mitchell report.

It can't all be taken as fact of course, but implying that Ramoski and McNaee have no loyalty to any side, (Mets players LoDuca, Vaughn, and Huntley are all in the report) and their is no geographical distance between the teams other then a couple of subway transfers, The 2000 World Series would be one of the best examples to compare.

As a Met fan I personally don't really care, but as a history buff, I find it interesting that this a great case of where the history books are probably not correctly written.
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