jfg wrote:Loyal fans would see that trading Pujols for a bright future might not be a bad idea.
It isn't the loyal fans who determine your annual revenue, unfortunately.
But, I would think that the media would spin the trade fairly as well if they would get a truly "major haul". That would do wonders for public perception. I guess I don't know anything about the St. Louis media. The media around here spun the Garnett trade fairly and are doing the same with Santana and if anything both trades/trade talks have sparked more interest in both teams. Fans get excited about the new and unknown.
"I think Rick Ankiel has since emerged as a force. (Ryan) Ludwick had a good year. (Skip) Schumaker played well. Rasmus got another year's experience. We're deep there. Right now we're trying to do everything we can to maintain flexibility and give some younger players a chance to play."
Yet DeWitt acknowledges the Cardinals are short on major league-ready prospects, a hindrance in their pursuit of an impact trade. The Cardinals hoped to acquire Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada but quickly realized that they lacked the ammunition without putting Rasmus in play.
"Unfortunately, we had the financial resources but not the player resources to get a player like Tejada," DeWitt said. "Clubs aren't looking for prospects who are a year or two away. They want major league-ready players. We just don't have them right now. We don't. I think we will." "I don't really see this move as looking at '08 and waving the white flag," Mozeliak said. "We still feel we can be a competitive club. LENNY:.(He Didnt Say Pennant Winning) Bear in mind, for us to get to that level it comes down to whether we can address the starting pitching as we move forward." JStrauss Post Dispatch DeWitt and GM John Mozeliak should have just laid out the accurate and realistic nature of the franchise's predicament, and ask for understanding as they maneuver from an old era to a new one.
What's wrong with having a transition year, anyway? It doesn't mean a bottoming-out, a surrender, or a lack of desire to win. Like it or not, this team must retool its roster by getting younger, and part of that is holding off on short-sighted moves that will only worsen the situation. The Cardinals are stuck until the farm system regenerates, some old salaries are dumped, the pitching health of Chris Carpenter and Mark Mulder turns around, and the overall flexibility improves B.MIKLASZ Post Dispatch
"We are definitely transitioning younger," chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. said Saturday evening
talk show host wrote:"I think Rick Ankiel has since emerged as a force. (Ryan) Ludwick had a good year. (Skip) Schumaker played well. Rasmus got another year's experience. We're deep there. Right now we're trying to do everything we can to maintain flexibility and give some younger players a chance to play."
Yet DeWitt acknowledges the Cardinals are short on major league-ready prospects, a hindrance in their pursuit of an impact trade. The Cardinals hoped to acquire Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada but quickly realized that they lacked the ammunition without putting Rasmus in play.
"Unfortunately, we had the financial resources but not the player resources to get a player like Tejada," DeWitt said. "Clubs aren't looking for prospects who are a year or two away. They want major league-ready players. We just don't have them right now. We don't. I think we will." "I don't really see this move as looking at '08 and waving the white flag," Mozeliak said. "We still feel we can be a competitive club. LENNY:.(He Didnt Say Pennant Winning) Bear in mind, for us to get to that level it comes down to whether we can address the starting pitching as we move forward." JStrauss Post Dispatch DeWitt and GM John Mozeliak should have just laid out the accurate and realistic nature of the franchise's predicament, and ask for understanding as they maneuver from an old era to a new one.
What's wrong with having a transition year, anyway? It doesn't mean a bottoming-out, a surrender, or a lack of desire to win. Like it or not, this team must retool its roster by getting younger, and part of that is holding off on short-sighted moves that will only worsen the situation. The Cardinals are stuck until the farm system regenerates, some old salaries are dumped, the pitching health of Chris Carpenter and Mark Mulder turns around, and the overall flexibility improves B.MIKLASZ Post Dispatch
"We are definitely transitioning younger," chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. said Saturday evening
PUJOLS NEXT??
NO
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
talk show host wrote:"I think Rick Ankiel has since emerged as a force. (Ryan) Ludwick had a good year. (Skip) Schumaker played well. Rasmus got another year's experience. We're deep there. Right now we're trying to do everything we can to maintain flexibility and give some younger players a chance to play."
Yet DeWitt acknowledges the Cardinals are short on major league-ready prospects, a hindrance in their pursuit of an impact trade. The Cardinals hoped to acquire Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada but quickly realized that they lacked the ammunition without putting Rasmus in play.
"Unfortunately, we had the financial resources but not the player resources to get a player like Tejada," DeWitt said. "Clubs aren't looking for prospects who are a year or two away. They want major league-ready players. We just don't have them right now. We don't. I think we will." "I don't really see this move as looking at '08 and waving the white flag," Mozeliak said. "We still feel we can be a competitive club. LENNY:.(He Didnt Say Pennant Winning) Bear in mind, for us to get to that level it comes down to whether we can address the starting pitching as we move forward." JStrauss Post Dispatch DeWitt and GM John Mozeliak should have just laid out the accurate and realistic nature of the franchise's predicament, and ask for understanding as they maneuver from an old era to a new one.
What's wrong with having a transition year, anyway? It doesn't mean a bottoming-out, a surrender, or a lack of desire to win. Like it or not, this team must retool its roster by getting younger, and part of that is holding off on short-sighted moves that will only worsen the situation. The Cardinals are stuck until the farm system regenerates, some old salaries are dumped, the pitching health of Chris Carpenter and Mark Mulder turns around, and the overall flexibility improves B.MIKLASZ Post Dispatch
"We are definitely transitioning younger," chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. said Saturday evening
PUJOLS NEXT??
NO
Hahahahahahaha. At least it's Pujols this time and not Puljols.
talk show host wrote:"I think Rick Ankiel has since emerged as a force. (Ryan) Ludwick had a good year. (Skip) Schumaker played well. Rasmus got another year's experience. We're deep there. Right now we're trying to do everything we can to maintain flexibility and give some younger players a chance to play."
Yet DeWitt acknowledges the Cardinals are short on major league-ready prospects, a hindrance in their pursuit of an impact trade. The Cardinals hoped to acquire Baltimore Orioles shortstop Miguel Tejada but quickly realized that they lacked the ammunition without putting Rasmus in play.
"Unfortunately, we had the financial resources but not the player resources to get a player like Tejada," DeWitt said. "Clubs aren't looking for prospects who are a year or two away. They want major league-ready players. We just don't have them right now. We don't. I think we will." "I don't really see this move as looking at '08 and waving the white flag," Mozeliak said. "We still feel we can be a competitive club. LENNY:.(He Didnt Say Pennant Winning) Bear in mind, for us to get to that level it comes down to whether we can address the starting pitching as we move forward." JStrauss Post Dispatch DeWitt and GM John Mozeliak should have just laid out the accurate and realistic nature of the franchise's predicament, and ask for understanding as they maneuver from an old era to a new one.
What's wrong with having a transition year, anyway? It doesn't mean a bottoming-out, a surrender, or a lack of desire to win. Like it or not, this team must retool its roster by getting younger, and part of that is holding off on short-sighted moves that will only worsen the situation. The Cardinals are stuck until the farm system regenerates, some old salaries are dumped, the pitching health of Chris Carpenter and Mark Mulder turns around, and the overall flexibility improves B.MIKLASZ Post Dispatch
"We are definitely transitioning younger," chairman Bill DeWitt Jr. said Saturday evening
JimmyBaseball wrote:people who took this thread seriously should be banned from the site.
i only just read it beacause it reached 6 pages... figured soemthign interesting happend in it..
on a side note... i traded pujols in my keeper/dynasty league this off season... slightly regretted deal because a couple others i had in place fell through..
jfg wrote:Loyal fans would see that trading Pujols for a bright future might not be a bad idea.
It isn't the loyal fans who determine your annual revenue, unfortunately.
But, I would think that the media would spin the trade fairly as well if they would get a truly "major haul". That would do wonders for public perception. I guess I don't know anything about the St. Louis media. The media around here spun the Garnett trade fairly and are doing the same with Santana and if anything both trades/trade talks have sparked more interest in both teams. Fans get excited about the new and unknown.
The St. Louis media is trying to stir up anger about how the Cardinals seemingly dismissed Eckstein without even trying to resign him.
Eckstein. Not Pujols. Eckstein.
Think about it.
And what's a Garnett?
ps - I think my favorite part of the "Jump to conclusions" mat has always been the "Loose one turn" square.
Garnett refers to Kevin Garnett and the spin Minn did when the trade was made. Cards get Nothing for Eckstein and replaced him with Ryan/Izturis Cards trade Edmonds for A prospect..Freese is a good one but at least 2 yrs away(trying him at catcher) You think Albert is going to be Happy??.This all plays into Pujols trade..I know its a longshot but Haren ,,Bedard Santana all all being traded or be considered ..Why not Pujols? If the cards plan is to be "competitive ' in 2 years , is Pujols merely a drawing card to fill seats?? When I started this thread i never expected 6 pages Thank you all for making this interesting..Didnt know what to expect LENNY
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by jfg » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:07 pm 
