AussieDodger wrote:Carlos Gonzalez is easily the worst player that Oakland got. I don't know how he got to be a "household name" , but he doesn't walk much and he had a whole season at AA with a .330 OBP. I'm thinking Beane will trade him on to someone else because he is known/over-rated.
That is not true at all.
He is easily thebest player Oakland got. He has amazing bat speed. Has a plus arm and plus speed. His final 2 months he hit well over .330. He just turned 22 and could start in right for the A's today, but should probably spend a couple months in triple A.
Obviously what he looks like and what his total numbers are are two different things.
Carlos has the potential to be a superstar and also by far the highest ceiling player OAK got in this trade.
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Not knowing anything other than Anderson's #'s, at the age of 19 125 K's in 120 IP with only 21 BB is extremely impressive. Even at such a low level the fact that he can post a 6/1 K/BB shows he can control his stuff, it may not be 9+ K/9 at higher levels, but still.
TheA'sFatLeadoffMan wrote:Not knowing anything other than Anderson's #'s, at the age of 19 125 K's in 120 IP with only 21 BB is extremely impressive. Even at such a low level the fact that he can post a 6/1 K/BB shows he can control his stuff, it may not be 9+ K/9 at higher levels, but still.
He is very young and far away from contributing.
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Guzman24 wrote:How does this affect Haren's fantasy value???
Move to the NL
Better offence behind him
As a Haren owner I'm
Moving from the Coliseum to Chase
The guy gave up a bunch of HRs for #1 or #2 starter in the Coliseum. Now in the new Launching pad it might be ugly.
That's because Haren pitches in the strike zone, avoiding the walk as much as possible. 17 of his HR given up last year came with no runners on meaning he still pretty stingy.
Guzman24 wrote:How does this affect Haren's fantasy value???
Move to the NL
Better offence behind him
As a Haren owner I'm
Moving from the Coliseum to Chase
The guy gave up a bunch of HRs for #1 or #2 starter in the Coliseum. Now in the new Launching pad it might be ugly.
The change in parks is big i agree. But don't you think some of it is negated by no dh, increasing his K/9, a better defense, and his bad luck last year leading MLB in tough losses with 8.
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Guzman24 wrote:How does this affect Haren's fantasy value???
Move to the NL
Better offence behind him
As a Haren owner I'm
Moving from the Coliseum to Chase
The guy gave up a bunch of HRs for #1 or #2 starter in the Coliseum. Now in the new Launching pad it might be ugly.
The change in parks is big i agree. But don't you think some of it is negated by no dh, increasing his K/9, a better defense, and his bad luck last year leading MLB in tough losses with 8.
I agree Hootie. Johan Santana gives up a bunch of HRs as well, and he seems to get by alright. As long as he keeps the walk rate down and the defense behind can keep hits from landing in (which it will in ARZ), should be solo shots. I think he gets a slight bump.
As for the trade itself....Beane basically realises that for this team to compete this year, a lot of guys have to be heatlhy, who aren't likely to be. This is the best time to rebuild and realign the pieces. Wouldn't be surprised to see Blanton and Street dealt before the season as well. Now that he has decided that they aren't competing this season, he's going to be shopping those parts.
RynMan wrote:As for the trade itself....Beane basically realises that for this team to compete this year, a lot of guys have to be heatlhy, who aren't likely to be. This is the best time to rebuild and realign the pieces. Wouldn't be surprised to see Blanton and Street dealt before the season as well. Now that he has decided that they aren't competing this season, he's going to be shopping those parts.
Yes! Someone agrees with me. As an A's fan this trade is cool by me because if 2/6 guys from the trade are big hits then it's a two for 1 , and Haren was terrific and affordable at a time when we were too far from contending. 76 wins to 93 wins is a big jump. (For example A-Rod was worth 13 wins? in 2007 , and there aren't many of him laying around) I think Blanton will stay , but Street could be shopped , especially around the trade deadline. The Reds still need more bullpen help don't they? Joey Votto Johnny Cueto
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I think moving to the NL will wash out the park effect. It is true that Haren is a fly ball pitcher in a HR hitters park. Also, he did a great job of keeping the ball in the park last year and I would expect that trend to continue.
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