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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby Legia13 » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:44 pm

Webb/Haren.... 8-o wow

Better than Peavy/Young?
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby sliders51 » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:07 pm

The G.O.A.T. wrote:Loving this trade. Yeah it is a lot, but the Dbacks had the spare parts considering how young they were. Prospects are fun, but if they can't be used at the ML level because they are blocked at least use them to aquire a position that was really needed. I'd say the only real high end talent was CarGO. Go Josh Byrnes. ;-D

As for Valverde the difference between him and Pena shouldn't be too much, and plus we got another arm back in Qualls. Gutierrez isn't a bad consolation gift to go with Burke who should be utility. Valverde was talking crazy amounts of money too. Money saved on him could be used to keep Hudson.



Well the D'backs traded for Burke and didn't trade Emilio Bonifacio in the deal for Haren, so it could be that they plan on using the money to extend Webb and possibly Haren, not Hudson.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby Yoda » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:24 pm

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acsguitar wrote:Wow I'm super pissed the rox's didn't get off their butts to make that trade. We could have offered alot more then that.


Carlos Gonzalez is way better than people seem to think. The Rockies don't have anyone that compares or that they can afford to deal. The Dbacks have a lot of depth at pretty much every position except pitcher and 2B (until now). The Rockies were forced to play Spielborghs last year, while the Dbacks had Quentin still on the bench along with Gonzalez waiting in Tucson. The Rockies have a few good arms in their system and couple good position guys like Fowler and Herrerra, but I don't think they have nearly enough to spare.


They do have Orlando at 2B who is pretty darn good.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby HOOTIE » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:28 pm

LiveForever wrote:You all doubted Beane when he traded Hudson and Mulder and I think that worked out pretty well for the A's. I wouldn't be to concerned if I were an A's fan. Beane always seems to stay a mile a head of the curve.

According to BA, Carlos Gonzalez was the 18th best prospect going into 07. He hit 286 with 16 homers in AA this year as a 20 year old.



He does, but i'm surprised a bit here. Hudson/Mulder when traded, had already been showing declining K rates. Haren is at prime, not in decline mode.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby jfg » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:36 pm

Do you think Haren's prime is near Hudson and Mulders prime though? I don't.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby sublime8414 » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:30 pm

So the D-backs closer situation looks like

Tony Pena Jr. Then? Qualls? Who else?
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby Yoda » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:54 pm

jfg wrote:Do you think Haren's prime is near Hudson and Mulders prime though? I don't.


Certainly better than Mulder... I think Haren's got better stuff than Hudson also.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby sliders51 » Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:08 am

sublime8414 wrote:So the D-backs closer situation looks like

Tony Pena Jr. Then? Qualls? Who else?


Pena will probably hold it, but after that it's Lyon, Qualls, then probably Scherzer, Nippert, and Cruz.
Pena is the early favorite though.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby HOOTIE » Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:00 am

jfg wrote:Do you think Haren's prime is near Hudson and Mulders prime though? I don't.


Better then Mulders. Hudson had a good prime. Haren has 450 less innings then Hudson at time both traded. Hudsons K rate was dropping. Harens has been rising.
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Re: Haren to the D-Backs

Postby Ender » Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:11 am

Legia13 wrote:Webb/Haren.... 8-o wow

Better than Peavy/Young?



Without a doubt, Young isn't' near as good as the other 3 in that list regardless of his stats so far. He just screams regression to the mean.

I also think this means the Dbacks are in the playoff hunt next year, might sound strange to say that as they won the division last year but that was one of the worst division winning teams in recent history. More runs allowed than scored points to pure luck and other than Webb that was a terrible rotation going into this year so they needed this.
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