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Re: Thoughts on Kelly Johnson?

Postby BravesGuy » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:36 pm

BillyHallDisciple wrote:He's a fairly solid hitter, but I had to drop him off my team last year because Bobby Cox started to platoon him sometime after the All-Star Break. If the Manager isn't sold enough on the guy to give him a full-time gig, I'm not sure how much I can be sold on him.

If he comes into ST guaranteed of a full-time role then I might draft him somewhere after the Top 10 though. I don't have the stats in front of me but I think he's got a much higher BA against lefties, which was part of the reason for the platoon.

Bobby platooned Kelly because he wanted to give Yunel Escobar some ABs. With Rentaria gone Escobar will be the fulltime SS. Johnson will be the everyday 2B next year.

Oh, also he hit .272 vs. Lefties and .278 vs. Righties.
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Re: Thoughts on Kelly Johnson?

Postby jake_harv88 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:00 am

wkelly91 wrote:Johnson went : 150, 153, and 155 in three drafts since...

I have:

Kelly Johnson .290-100-20-80-10
Ian Kinsler .275-100-25-70-25
Rickie Weeks .270-100-20-55-30

The other two may have more stolen base upside...but I think Johnson is a more rounded hitter. Either way they are all close..IMHO


based on YOUR projections I would probably take both kinsler and weeks over johnson....
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Re: Thoughts on Kelly Johnson?

Postby wkelly91 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:07 pm

jake_harv88 wrote:
wkelly91 wrote:Johnson went : 150, 153, and 155 in three drafts since...

I have:

Kelly Johnson .290-100-20-80-10
Ian Kinsler .275-100-25-70-25
Rickie Weeks .270-100-20-55-30

The other two may have more stolen base upside...but I think Johnson is a more rounded hitter. Either way they are all close..IMHO


based on YOUR projections I would probably take both kinsler and weeks over johnson....


With "My" projections...Johnson and Kinsler boil down to .015 of BA versus 15 SB's. With Weeks it would be .020 and 25 runs versus 20 SB's. In mocks I have seen thus far...Kinsler is going a lot earlier than KJ, and Weeks slightly earlier. Thus my preference for KJ.
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Re: Thoughts on Kelly Johnson?

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:52 pm

And, if you look at the "target production for roto" thread, you'd see that the BA difference in favor of KJ is worth about the same as the SB difference for the others.
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Re: Thoughts on Kelly Johnson?

Postby Ender » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:08 am

GiantsFan14 wrote:how would you guys rank him if your league counts OBP instead of AVG?


I would have to assume that puts Weeks above both of them.
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Re: Thoughts on Kelly Johnson?

Postby kab21 » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:28 am

I'm not too concerned about where to rank KJ at. I don't see alot of seperation between at least 5 2B and will let other drafters make their picks and I'll use my picks on other positions (looking for bargains).
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Re: Thoughts on Kelly Johnson?

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:15 pm

Ender wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:how would you guys rank him if your league counts OBP instead of AVG?


I would have to assume that puts Weeks above both of them.


Yes, I would think so. Career Weeks' OBP is .357, while KJ is .360, and Kinsler is .351. KJ definitely comes out 3rd there, as he doesn't have that big BA advantage anymore.
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Re: Thoughts on Kelly Johnson?

Postby GiantsFan14 » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:37 pm

GotowarMissAgnes wrote:
Ender wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:how would you guys rank him if your league counts OBP instead of AVG?


I would have to assume that puts Weeks above both of them.


Yes, I would think so. Career Weeks' OBP is .357, while KJ is .360, and Kinsler is .351. KJ definitely comes out 3rd there, as he doesn't have that big BA advantage anymore.


i think KJ is much more likely to put up an OBP closer to his last year of .375, the .360 career is due to 2005 where he hit .241 in 300 ABs but still had an OBP of .334

he even OBP'd closer to .400 for a lot of last year until he struggled a little and started getting platooned
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Re: Thoughts on Kelly Johnson?

Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:01 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:
i think KJ is much more likely to put up an OBP closer to his last year of .375, the .360 career is due to 2005 where he hit .241 in 300 ABs but still had an OBP of .334

he even OBP'd closer to .400 for a lot of last year until he struggled a little and started getting platooned


Yes, but Weeks also batted just .235 last year and still had an OBP of .374 and he also had an early year where he hit .233 and OBP'd .333. I think it is very likely that Weeks OBP will be a lot closer to KJ's OBP than his average will be.
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