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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby Grounded Polo » Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:51 pm

2 years isn't really anything in a keeper so I'd take the definite production in Atkins over the gamble in Tulo.
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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby SignGuy » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:08 pm

Why isnt Upton on any of these lists? Im pretty sure he qualifies. He's easily top ten
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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby wkelly91 » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:41 pm

SignGuy wrote:Why isnt Upton on any of these lists? Im pretty sure he qualifies. He's easily top ten


48 games at 2nd, 78 in OF.
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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby J35J » Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:35 pm

SignGuy wrote:Why isnt Upton on any of these lists? Im pretty sure he qualifies. He's easily top ten


...geez, if you had my spreadsheet you would know all position eligibilty - per Yahoo qualifications. O:-) :-)
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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby IllinoisBandit » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:37 pm

1. Alex Rodriguez
2. Miguel Cabrera
3. Garrett Atkins
4. David Wright
5. Ryan Braun
6. Aramis Ramirez
7. Chipper Jones
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Chone, Zimmerman (I have little faith in these two in '08) - I won't draft them under any circumstances.
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Garbage (I'd take Gordon over EE any day. EE will be .270/18/80. I'd rather draft someone with a higher ceiling than that.)

I'll be drafting 3B a tad earlier than last year. To me it's not a deep position at all.
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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby Scooter1027 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:12 am

IllinoisBandit wrote:1. Alex Rodriguez
2. Miguel Cabrera
3. Garrett Atkins
4. David Wright
5. Ryan Braun
6. Aramis Ramirez
7. Chipper Jones
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Chone, Zimmerman (I have little faith in these two in '08) - I won't draft them under any circumstances.
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Garbage (I'd take Gordon over EE any day. EE will be .270/18/80. I'd rather draft someone with a higher ceiling than that.)

I'll be drafting 3B a tad earlier than last year. To me it's not a deep position at all.


Assuming standard 5 x 5 (2007 numbers):

Garrett Atkins .301 AVG, 83 R, 25 HR, 111 RBI, 3 SB (605 AB)

David Wright .325 AVG, 113 R, 30 HR, 107 RBI, 34 SB (604 AB)

Ryan Braun .324 AVG, 91 R, 34 HR, 97 RBI, 15 SB (451 AB)

Aramis Ramirez .310 AVG, 72 R, 26 HR, 101 RBI, 0 SB (501 AB)

To me, Atkins certainly doesn't approach Wright. If you think Braun's due for a significant dropoff, maybe Atkins would be the better choice, but Braun put up more runs, HR, and SB despite over 150 fewer AB. He was easily on pace to catch him in RBIs too and had a higher average. I'd take Aramis over Atkins too. Give Aramis the same 605 AB, and he would have outproduced Atkins (unless you're projecting injury, which I tend not to do).

I guess my question is, what do you see in Atkins (or perhaps these other 3) this year that would make you take him 3rd? What are your projections?
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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby IllinoisBandit » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:48 pm

To elaborate, I see Atkins around .310/35/120, think Wright's average and power will dip a bit (.290/25/95), and greatly fear a sophomore slump from Braun. Truthfully, if injury risk did not play a factor Chipper Jones would be my #3. I also tend to devalue SB's in my rankings.

3-7 are very, very close to me.
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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby Scooter1027 » Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:41 pm

IllinoisBandit wrote:To elaborate, I see Atkins around .310/35/120, think Wright's average and power will dip a bit (.290/25/95), and greatly fear a sophomore slump from Braun. Truthfully, if injury risk did not play a factor Chipper Jones would be my #3. I also tend to devalue SB's in my rankings.

3-7 are very, very close to me.


Hmm, interesting. We'll agree to disagree I guess. It's the beauty of this game. I don't know if I see Atkins jumping 10 HR, and I don't forsee Wright falling off that far. Plus, there are 5 categories (in your standard league). Wright crushed Atkins in both runs and SB in an equal number of ABs.

As far as Braun, I'm seeing a lot of people projecting a slump, and I hope I'm in a league with people who feel that way. After watching him day in and day out, he just flat knows how to hit a baseball. Do I think he'll regress? Yes, a little probably, but he pretty much has to: his 2007 numbers projected out to 600 ABs would be .324 AVG, 121 R, 45 HR, 129 RBI, 20 SB. Those numbers would crush Wright, Atkins, etc. But I don't think .290/100/35/110/18 is out of the question at all.

Anyway, in the end I agree with you. 3-7 are very close and tough to call. I think you can't really go wrong, personally.
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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby Grounded Polo » Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:09 pm

IllinoisBandit wrote:To elaborate, I see Atkins around .310/35/120, think Wright's average and power will dip a bit (.290/25/95), and greatly fear a sophomore slump from Braun. Truthfully, if injury risk did not play a factor Chipper Jones would be my #3. I also tend to devalue SB's in my rankings.

3-7 are very, very close to me.


David Wright's plate discipline is just insane now, he never swings at a bad pitch. I think that he's a guaranteed .325+ hitter. When he bats 3rd, he's just automatic and could compete for the batting title, even if he does hit in Shea Stadium.
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Re: Top 10 3B for 2008

Postby abrage22 » Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:11 am

to be honest with you i don't like this braun hype, i mean he had ONE good (decent) season, i think he may put up decent numbers but not as good as last year. with that said im going to stay away from him ;-)
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