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Postby AussieDodger » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:29 pm

one ton wrote:This is definitely a huge issue, and I think it's a threat to the long-term health of the game. Even as a Red Sox fan, it turns my stomach that the Twins are going to trade away the best pitcher in the game.

I think a cap is a great idea, but a floor is an urgent necessity. The Yankees and Red Sox may be the big bullies on the block now, but they are also the organizations that are investing in their teams. It may seem unfair, but I think the Marlins et al do far more damage to the game than NY or Boston.


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Re: Fans should strike!

Postby BronXBombers51 » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:30 pm

one ton wrote:This is definitely a huge issue, and I think it's a threat to the long-term health of the game. Even as a Red Sox fan, it turns my stomach that the Twins are going to trade away the best pitcher in the game.

One thing that hasn't come up is the flaws of the revenue sharing system. There was a great Op-Ed in the NY Times about this recently:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/03/opinion/03lewis.html

The problem is that the teams receiving payments have come to use them as a primary source of income — rather than to build winning teams. The most extreme example has been the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. In 2006, this team had a payroll of about $35 million, $42 million less than the 2006 league average. Not surprisingly, it won only 38 percent of its games and filled less than 40 percent of its seats for home games. It also collected more than $30 million in revenue-sharing transfers. This past season, the team reduced its payroll to $24 million and had about the same level of success.

The Pittsburgh Pirates and the Kansas City Royals have also received significant revenue-sharing payments but kept payrolls low. These teams may well be slowly destroying their customer base. (The Rockies were not so parsimonious. With the team receiving $16 million in 2006, it increased its payroll for the next season by around $15 million.)

The problem is that transfers are based on local revenues. Teams that receive money are encouraged to invest it in their payrolls. But if a team actually attracts fans by fielding a winning team, its revenue-sharing receipts will be reduced.


He goes on to suggest that revenue sharing be tied to attendance, so that teams have a financial incentive to field good teams.

I think a cap is a great idea, but a floor is an urgent necessity. The Yankees and Red Sox may be the big bullies on the block now, but they are also the organizations that are investing in their teams. It may seem unfair, but I think the Marlins et al do far more damage to the game than NY or Boston.


Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but investing that revenue sharing $$ into things like scouting doesn't show up on payroll. Isn't it possible that some of these teams are investing that money in things like scouting to try to gain an advantage there? I understand that it's equally or more probable that the teams are just pocketing the money, but it's not a forgone conclusion.
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Re: Fans should strike!

Postby AussieDodger » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:44 pm

BronXBombers51 wrote:Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but investing that revenue sharing $$ into things like scouting doesn't show up on payroll. Isn't it possible that some of these teams are investing that money in things like scouting to try to gain an advantage there? I understand that it's equally or more probable that the teams are just pocketing the money, but it's not a forgone conclusion.


I definately don't think Pittsburgh have been using it for scouting going by their first rounder in '07 :-S
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Re: Fans should strike!

Postby brewcrew4you » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:49 pm

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brewcrew4you wrote:They should have BOTH a salary cap and a salary floor. Any money that you don't spend under the salary floor gets put in the revenue sharing pool.

The cap could even be much higher than most teams are willing to spend, say $110 million this year (only NY, NYM, and BOS were more last year), and increase with inflation. I have no problem with the teams with more money spending it on players, but there needs to be some sort of penalty for teams that give awful contracts, and then just spend more money to cover those blemishes up.


There is a penalty. The luxury tax.


Excuse me, I meant a real penalty, not a slap on the wrist. When you can pay a luxury tax, and still take in far more profit than some of the other teams due to market size, it is obvious the luxury tax isn't working.
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