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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby wkelly91 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:18 pm

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4.35 Carlos Pena 1B TB wkelly91
4.34 Curtis Granderson OF DET BaseballGuy
4.33 Alexis Rios OF TOR joec
4.32 Garrett Atkins 3B COL horatio
4.31 Travis Hafner DH CLE Old_Style
3.30 Manny Ramirez OF BOS Old_Style
3.29 Brandon Webb SP ARZ horatio
3.28 Nick Markakis OF BAL joec
3.27 Victor Martinez C CLE BaseballGuy
3.26 Ichiro Suzuki OF SEA wkelly91
3.25 Magglio Ordonez OF DET rotoquest
3.24 Ryan Braun 3B MIL PRSTOP5
3.23 Lance Berkman 1B HOU OneLoveBoomer
3.22 Carlos Beltran OF NYM 2007 rookie
3.21 Alfonso Soriano OF CHC kaildogg
2.20 Brandon Phillips 2B CIN kaildogg
2.19 Carl Crawford OF TB 2007 rookie
2.18 Johan Santana SP MIN OneLoveBoomer
2.17 Grady Sizemore OF CLE PRSTOP5
2.16 Carlos Lee OF HOU rotoquest
2.15 Vladimir Guerrero OF LAA wkelly91
2.14 Mark Teixeira 1B ATL BaseballGuy
2.13 Miguel Cabrera 3B FL joec
2.12 Jake Peavy SP SD horatio
2.11 Ryan Howard 1B PHI Old_Style
1.10 David Wright 3B NYM Old_Style
1.9 David Ortiz DH BOS horatio
1.8 Prince Fielder 1B MIL joec
1.7 Jimmy Rollins SS PHI BaseballGuy
1.6 Matt Holliday OF COL wkelly91
1.5 Hanley Ramirez SS FL rotoquest
1.4 Jose Reyes SS NYM PRSTOP5
1.3 Chase Utley 2B PHI OneLoveBoomer
1.2 Albert Pujols 1B STL 2007 rookie
1.1 Alex Rodriguez 3B NYY kaildogg
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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby PerfectTen66 » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:25 pm

wkelly91 wrote:
PerfectTen66 wrote:
moose32 wrote:i'm on the fence about markakis. his stats are impressive, but it took him a lot of abs to get there. i think he'll go too high for my taste.


I understand your concerns, but I would like to help you get off the fence on him. Once thing that jumped out at me when I looked at his 2007 numbers were his solid to great output against his divisional opponents. That's 70ish games a year.

vs. BOS 20-70 (.286) 4HR 12RBI 14 Runs in 18 games
vs. NYY 29-72 (.403) 2HR 13RBI 15 Runs in 17 games
vs. TOR 25-72(.347) 3HR 11 RBI 12 Runs in 18 games
vs. TB 21-67 (.313) 4HR 16RBI 8 Runs in 18 games

That's a total of 95-281 (.338) 13 HR 52 RBI 49 Runs in 71 games.

Couple those stats with a strong home hitters park and Markakis should be able to recreate his numbers in '08.


yes...but are his stolen bases repeatable? It doesn't appear as though his history bears that out. And that is part of what is driving his value up isn't it?


I do agree that his steals will probably come down a bit. He had 18 last year, I would expect 10-12 this year. However, he is still a young man whose HR and RBI still have room to grow.

I think he may go a bit too high, but once we hit the 4th round, I believe he is a slam dunk.
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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby Yoda » Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:25 pm

Manny was a bargain.
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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby ensanimal » Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:29 pm

Yoda wrote:Manny was a bargain.


Sure was.

Pena was not. I'm really not sold on him at that draft spot.
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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby OneLoveBoomer » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:38 pm

New picks, after Pena:


5.45 Adam Dunn OF CIN ...rotoquest
5.44 Jonathan Papelbon RP BOS ...PRSTOP5
5.43 Derek Jeter SS NYY ...OneLoveBoomer
5.42 C.C. Sabathia SP CLE ...2007 rookie
5.41 Josh Beckett SP BOS ...kaildogg
4.40 Troy Tulowitzki SS COL ...kaildogg
4.39 Russell Martin C LAD ...2007 rookie
4.38 Aramis Ramirez 3B CHC ...OneLoveBoomer
4.37 Justin Morneau 1B MIN ...PRSTOP5
4.36 Derrek Lee 1B CHC ...rotoquest
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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby OneLoveBoomer » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:57 pm

And by the way, we have another Mock Draft getting going @
http://couchmanagers.com/mock_drafts/?draftnum=5079

Need just 3 more people

Enough completed drafts will really contribute to some solid player rankings I think ;-D
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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby Yoda » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:07 am

OneLoveBoomer wrote:New picks, after Pena:


5.45 Adam Dunn OF CIN ...rotoquest
5.44 Jonathan Papelbon RP BOS ...PRSTOP5
5.43 Derek Jeter SS NYY ...OneLoveBoomer
5.42 C.C. Sabathia SP CLE ...2007 rookie
5.41 Josh Beckett SP BOS ...kaildogg
4.40 Troy Tulowitzki SS COL ...kaildogg
4.39 Russell Martin C LAD ...2007 rookie
4.38 Aramis Ramirez 3B CHC ...OneLoveBoomer
4.37 Justin Morneau 1B MIN ...PRSTOP5
4.36 Derrek Lee 1B CHC ...rotoquest


Aramis and CC were pretty good picks.
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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby hot4tx » Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:59 am

A couple questions - do you guys think Utley is a #3 pick? I mean I like the guy a lot and argued for him being mid-late 1st rounder last year, but is this a little high for him or do his numbers and position really put him up there? Thoughts?

Also there are 3 SSs in the first 7 picks and then not another one until the late 4th/early 5th. Do the people getting Hanley/Reyes/Rollins really get enough advantage over the guys getting Tulo and Jeter to justify the difference between early 1st and late 4th/early 5th? Does the fact that if you pick one of those top SS there are two others about equal hurt or help their value? In other words does having 3 SSs that high take away from positional advantage (because you spend a top pick but don't get positional advantage over 2 other guys in your league) or does it make it more important (because if you draft anyone else in the first there are 3 guys in your league with positional advantage over you at SS?

Hope this isn't threadjacking, those were just the first two questions that popped into my head.
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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby J35J » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:14 am

hot4tx wrote:A couple questions - do you guys think Utley is a #3 pick? I mean I like the guy a lot and argued for him being mid-late 1st rounder last year, but is this a little high for him or do his numbers and position really put him up there? Thoughts?

I noticed Utley going a few picks earlier than I would take him as well....like I said though, "just a few picks" so I won't hate on anyone taking him there, I'm not going to do it myself though.


hot4tx wrote:Do the people getting Hanley/Reyes/Rollins really get enough advantage over the guys getting Tulo and Jeter to justify the difference between early 1st and late 4th/early 5th?

You can say this about any player at any position at any round in the draft. Just take the best players possible and worry about the value picks when that time comes.
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Re: Another Interesting Mock draft

Postby PerfectTen66 » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:30 am

hot4tx wrote:A couple questions - do you guys think Utley is a #3 pick? I mean I like the guy a lot and argued for him being mid-late 1st rounder last year, but is this a little high for him or do his numbers and position really put him up there? Thoughts?

Also there are 3 SSs in the first 7 picks and then not another one until the late 4th/early 5th. Do the people getting Hanley/Reyes/Rollins really get enough advantage over the guys getting Tulo and Jeter to justify the difference between early 1st and late 4th/early 5th? Does the fact that if you pick one of those top SS there are two others about equal hurt or help their value? In other words does having 3 SSs that high take away from positional advantage (because you spend a top pick but don't get positional advantage over 2 other guys in your league) or does it make it more important (because if you draft anyone else in the first there are 3 guys in your league with positional advantage over you at SS?

Hope this isn't threadjacking, those were just the first two questions that popped into my head.


Last year I really targeted Utley in the middle 1st round as was pleased with his results. This year is slightly different due to the emergence of Brandon Phillips as a legit 2nd or 3rd rounder. Add him to Roberts, Cano, Figgins, and Upton and his position is not quite as scarce as it was last year. I mean if he wasn't a 3rd pick overall last year, what has changed to make you think he is one this year? I still think he is a slam dunk first rounder, however, I do think 3rd overall is slightly reaching.

In regards to the SS position this year, I believe that you try and gain as many scarce positions early on. I would not reach for Reyes, Ramirez, and Rollins, however, if you are undecided between 2 players, taking a Han Ram over Holliday, for example, based on position scarcity is a good way to go, IMO. However, I'm not jumping on Reyes over Pujols or A-Rod. When someone is decidedly better, you have to take them.

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