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Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby RynMan » Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:57 pm

I think we've all seen examples of it. Not only a catcher that can't throw the ball back to the pitcher (but can throw perfectly everywhere else), but pitchers who can't throw strikes, and infielders who can't make routine plays. Basically, the player starts doubting himself and too much thought preoccupies him to the point where all he is focussed on is the negative, and follows through on it.

A couple of terms for it are "The Little Man", "Steve Blass disease", "the Yips".

I've actually had this problem before, as a catcher and it haunted me for a couple of years. Suddenly, one day it was almost as if I just forgot how to throw. I can't explain it any better. I still catch now (I'm 24) but I don't have the problem, though every now and then I find myself focusing too hard on my throws and spraying a few around while trying to return the ball to the pitcher.

So now a younger guy I'm coaching (17) is having the same problem and I feel for him. He is thinking too much about the throw back to the pitcher, and it's a shame cuz this kid could eventually sign a minor league deal.

So I'm wondering if anyone has experienced this, or know of any ways to help deal with it. It's exactly the same as the situation in Major League II where the catcher can't throw back to the picture. I'm not sure the whole Playboy memory thing would work. Any other ideas?
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Re: Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby JTWood » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:49 pm

When I start having problems with my ball toss in tennis (on the serve), it's almost always because I'm thinking about how to toss it instead of just tossing it. To fix the problem, I take a bucket and practice my ball toss with my eyes closed. If the ball lands in the bucket, I know I tossed it correctly. Helps turn my mind off and my instincts on.

Could something like that work for you?
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Re: Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby RynMan » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:44 pm

JTWood wrote:When I start having problems with my ball toss in tennis (on the serve), it's almost always because I'm thinking about how to toss it instead of just tossing it. To fix the problem, I take a bucket and practice my ball toss with my eyes closed. If the ball lands in the bucket, I know I tossed it correctly. Helps turn my mind off and my instincts on.

Could something like that work for you?


Hmmm, not a bad idea man. I've played tennis a bit, just with friends and I've noticed that the toss on the serve sometimes gets me cuz I'm thinking about the grip etc, so I could definitely see the parallel. Maybe have him practice throwing back to the pitcher with his eyes closed?
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Re: Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby JTWood » Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:05 pm

RynMan wrote:Maybe have him practice throwing back to the pitcher with his eyes closed?

Jordan made a free throw with his eyes closed during a game once. It's probably worth a try. ;-D
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Re: Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby dclark0699 » Sun Oct 07, 2007 10:06 pm

When I was going into my freshman year of highschool I completely lost the feel of the strikezone. I once threw 7 consecutive wild pitches during practice.

Since this was in the off-season I had a little bit of a luxury...I stopped pitching for a few weeks. I got myself off the mound for a while, did a lot of long toss and played catch...just to get a feel for the arm action again.

Almost a month later I hopped up on the mound and was back in control. Some of it is a mental thing, but a lot of it is just mechanical.
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Re: Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby theclefe » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:59 am

It is a little odd, but put together a video of catchers throwing the ball back to the pitcher. The easier it looks the better. Sometimes seeing someone else do it can help, as long as nothing is wrong with his mechanics.
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Re: Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby markj11 » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:58 am

I had this problem in college when I moved from catching to third. I could make accurate throws on the hard plays but I always had trouble on the simple ones. Hard plays = no thinking. Simple plays = too much time to think about it. I got past it by a lot of repetition and working on my foot work. Also by always making a stong throw and not lobbing it. This is what I always did as a catcher, firing it back to the pitcher, so that my arm would stay loose.
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Re: Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby dclark0699 » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:50 pm

markj11 wrote:Also by always making a strong throw and not lobbing it. This is what I always did as a catcher, firing it back to the pitcher, so that my arm would stay loose.


I also agree with this in terms of a catcher. Make a strong throw. Sometimes trying to guide it in there cause serious mechanical problems. That's why you see so many pitchers who cant throw to first. They try to take so much off of it that they throw it away.
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Re: Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby RynMan » Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:24 pm

dclark0699 wrote:
markj11 wrote:Also by always making a strong throw and not lobbing it. This is what I always did as a catcher, firing it back to the pitcher, so that my arm would stay loose.


I also agree with this in terms of a catcher. Make a strong throw. Sometimes trying to guide it in there cause serious mechanical problems. That's why you see so many pitchers who cant throw to first. They try to take so much off of it that they throw it away.


I agree, I think there's something to that. How often do you see players training their arm to throw slow and accurate? Most of the time we are training to throw the ball hard, so all of those muscles that decelerate the arm aren't conditioned.
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Re: Catcher can't throw back to the pitcher

Postby WickedSmaat » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:46 am

Does he throw it back from his knees or does he stand up? I would think making a routine of standing up and throwing it back like you're warming up may help. I never got the yips throughout my playing career so that would be my only suggestion.
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