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Who is your NL ROTY

Ryan Braun
69
66%
Hunter Pence
1
1%
Troy Tulowitzki
34
33%
 
Total votes : 104

Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:19 am

J-Roll might get the gold glove over Tulo. J-Roll is almost as good a fielder as Tulowitzki, so he wouldn't be that far off...
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby The Cow » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:31 am

Tul and Pence could win in most any year, but Braun was just too good.

1. Braun


2. Tul

3. Pence

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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby acsguitar » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:22 pm

The Cow wrote:Tul and Pence could win in most any year, but Braun was just too good.

1. Braun


2. Tul

3. Pence

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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby The Cow » Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:51 pm

Scooter1027 wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:
acsguitar wrote:If he doesn't win ROTY he should win Gold Glove. Is it the same group of voters??


The MVP and CY are done by the beat writers of each city. 2 vote MVP, 2 get CY. The Gold Glove is done by the managers. They don't put much time into it.


Yeah, I agree with this. A lot of times it seems like they just pick whomever has a history of winning it. In other words, Omar Vizquel.


Yeah or Ozzie Smith.

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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby The Cow » Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:58 pm

acsguitar wrote:Why Braun should win: MVP Caliber Hitting and All Star Caliber SB Skills
Why Tulo Should win: Gold Glove Caliber Fielding; All Star caliber Hitting; Led team to Playoffs.

I give Tulo the slight edge due to the Rox's making the playoffs.

If he doesn't win ROTY he should win Gold Glove. Is it the same group of voters?? I can see people saying well we want to reward Tulo for his glove and braun for his bat hence a ROTY for Braun and Gold Glove for Tulo



Man this should be a slam dunk for Braun. Why give Tulo the edge based on the ROX making the playoffs? If the race were close I could see that, but this is not close. I also think with Tulo and any other Rockies batter their stats should be taken with a grain of salt. Lets face it, it is easier to hit a home run when you are on a mountain. Its also harder for a pitcher to throw a breaking ball. So they can really just sit on the fastball. Even with Tulo's stats being inflated by the mountain air, Braun dusted him with the bat and on the basepaths. I don't think good defense and the Rox making the playoffs should move Tulo past Braun. In Braun you are talking about a guy that if he played all year, probably not only wins the ROY, but the MVP as well. Tulo is good, but not Braun good.

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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby HOOTIE » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:39 pm

It's not a slam dunk for Braun. If the writers value games played and defense, Troy wins.

Win Shares

Troy 14th
Braun 30th

Runs Created

Troy created 1 more

WARP Wins Above replacement Player

Troy wins

BRAA + FRAA

Troy wins

Braun was better per ab, but factoring in defense and time played, Troy looks better imo.
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