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Who is your NL ROTY

Ryan Braun
69
66%
Hunter Pence
1
1%
Troy Tulowitzki
34
33%
 
Total votes : 104

Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby statsman88 » Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:52 pm

I voted for Pence because no one else did. I love watching this kid. He's so unorthodox in everything he does, and he looks kinda uncoordinated and goofy, but he's amazing. If he didn't get injured his numbers woulda been like Braun's with a little less HR's. He's also a real nice kid too ;-D
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby Scooter1027 » Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:09 pm

statsman88 wrote:I voted for Pence because no one else did. I love watching this kid. He's so unorthodox in everything he does, and he looks kinda uncoordinated and goofy, but he's amazing. If he didn't get injured his numbers woulda been like Braun's with a little less HR's. He's also a real nice kid too ;-D


I'll argue that Braun should win until I'm blue in the face, but the overarching reality is that there were many exciting, talented NL rookies this year. Pence is a blast to watch, as unorthodox as he is. The following rooks were also very impressive this year as well:

Tim Lincecum 7-4, 4.00 ERA, 150 K
Josh Hamilton .292/.368/.554 (.992 OPS)
Yovani Gallardo 9-5, 3.67, 101 K
Peter Moylan 80 G, 1.80 ERA, 1.07 WHIP, 63 K
Kevin Kouzmanoff .275/.329/.457 (.786 OPS) despite a very slow start
James Loney .331/.381/.538 (.919 OPS)

...and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few more. A lot of exciting players to look forward to watching.
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby Omaha Red Sox » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:54 pm

Braun's bat.

I thought CBYoung would be in the discussion, but must have lost his rookie status.
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby HOOTIE » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:40 pm

Scooter1027 wrote:
HOOTIE wrote:
A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:Definatly Braun. The stats tell all.


26 errors in 4 months. He might have hit 40 in 6 months. Troy had 11 errors all year at a much more demanding position.

I know Braun had 2 less months abs, and was the better hitter but,

runs created

Troy 103
Braun 102

Surprised so much love for Brauns offense, ignoring he probaby was the worst everyday fielder playing.


Not a great thing to look at because Tulo played so many more games. How about their respective RC/G (runs created per game):

Troy 6.0
Braun 8.4

Pretty significant difference there in Braun's favor.


Games played matters. Braun was better per ab, nobody denies that. But the difference in defense was wider.
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby luckygehrig » Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:11 pm

I went with Braun for his offense.
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby Scooter1027 » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:47 am

HOOTIE wrote:
Scooter1027 wrote:
HOOTIE wrote: 26 errors in 4 months. He might have hit 40 in 6 months. Troy had 11 errors all year at a much more demanding position.

I know Braun had 2 less months abs, and was the better hitter but,

runs created

Troy 103
Braun 102

Surprised so much love for Brauns offense, ignoring he probaby was the worst everyday fielder playing.


Not a great thing to look at because Tulo played so many more games. How about their respective RC/G (runs created per game):

Troy 6.0
Braun 8.4

Pretty significant difference there in Braun's favor.


Games played matters. Braun was better per ab, nobody denies that. But the difference in defense was wider.


Well, then I guess it depends on preference. Me personally, I'll take the difference in offense over the difference in defense, especially when you're looking at Tulo's paltry .719 OPS outside of Coors.
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby acsguitar » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:02 am

Why Braun should win: MVP Caliber Hitting and All Star Caliber SB Skills
Why Tulo Should win: Gold Glove Caliber Fielding; All Star caliber Hitting; Led team to Playoffs.

I give Tulo the slight edge due to the Rox's making the playoffs.

If he doesn't win ROTY he should win Gold Glove. Is it the same group of voters?? I can see people saying well we want to reward Tulo for his glove and braun for his bat hence a ROTY for Braun and Gold Glove for Tulo
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby Scooter1027 » Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:01 pm

acsguitar wrote:Why Braun should win: MVP Caliber Hitting and All Star Caliber SB Skills
Why Tulo Should win: Gold Glove Caliber Fielding; All Star caliber Hitting; Led team to Playoffs.

I give Tulo the slight edge due to the Rox's making the playoffs.

If he doesn't win ROTY he should win Gold Glove. Is it the same group of voters?? I can see people saying well we want to reward Tulo for his glove and braun for his bat hence a ROTY for Braun and Gold Glove for Tulo


Interesting thought. I think Tulo has a shot at the gold glove, mostly because Adam Everett got hurt.

And again, I don't agree with Tulo being an allstar hitter due to his poor production outside of Coors, but I see your point. I could see it happening (Braun ROY, Tulo GG).
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby HOOTIE » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:00 pm

acsguitar wrote:If he doesn't win ROTY he should win Gold Glove. Is it the same group of voters??


The MVP and CY are done by the beat writers of each city. 2 vote MVP, 2 get CY. The Gold Glove is done by the managers. They don't put much time into it.
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Re: CAFE NL ROTY: OFFICIAL (UNOFFICIAL) CAFE VOTE

Postby Scooter1027 » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:14 am

HOOTIE wrote:
acsguitar wrote:If he doesn't win ROTY he should win Gold Glove. Is it the same group of voters??


The MVP and CY are done by the beat writers of each city. 2 vote MVP, 2 get CY. The Gold Glove is done by the managers. They don't put much time into it.


Yeah, I agree with this. A lot of times it seems like they just pick whomever has a history of winning it. In other words, Omar Vizquel.
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