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Postby J35J » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:53 pm

...Jacoby Ellsbury

Why can't he be, pretty much, a lock for.....

.300 avg
8 HR
65 RBI
110 Runs
40+ SB

...if he gets his 600+ ABs at the top of the Red Sox order next year and beyond?

He may or may not go off with batting title type years but he might steal 10+ more bases than Ichiro does. Just a thought, what say you?
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Re: The next Ichiro...

Postby Yoda » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:08 pm

J35J wrote:...Jacoby Ellsbury

Why can't he be, pretty much, a lock for.....

.300 avg
8 HR
65 RBI
110 Runs
40+ SB

...if he gets his 600+ ABs at the top of the Red Sox order next year and beyond?

He may or may not go off with batting title type years but he might steal 10+ more bases than Ichiro does. Just a thought, what say you?


Entirely possible but I don't think he will hit enough HR or get SBs to be like Ichiro. Not to mention AVG.
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Re: The next Ichiro...

Postby Bwanna » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:12 pm

I dunno, but I need him to go nuts this last week. I'm down 236 to 240 in steals in a roto league, and need some extra help from Ellsbury.
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Re: The next Ichiro...

Postby Mike Fetters » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:13 pm

Two major differences for me. One is BA. No way you can say Ellsbury is a lock for a .300 BA in the majors whereas Ichiro with a career BA of .333 is. The other is I still need to see more than a 23 AB sample size to say that Ellsbury can hit lefties as good as he hits righties.
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Re: The next Ichiro...

Postby acsguitar » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:27 pm

He seems closer to beltran to me
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Re: The next Ichiro...

Postby J35J » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:30 pm

Just for the sake of discussion.

Ichiro in future years
.325/8/65/110/35

Ellsbury in future years (a few rounds later)
.295/7/65/115/45

Anyway, with Ellsbury....the speed is there...the plate discipline and eye is there.....the good team is there. I'm not big on drafting speed guys early so I would be more than happy to wait a few rounds and pick up the poor mans Ichiro later.


Note: This is all for discussion and to have a little fun. In no way do I think Ellsbury should be drafted anywhere near Ichiro, yet. Just trying to liven the boards up some and to shed light on some young guys who could prove very valuable in the near future! I was a little suprised at how closely he "could" resemble Ichiro personally. :-]
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Re: The next Ichiro...

Postby J35J » Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:31 pm

acsguitar wrote:He seems closer to beltran to me


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Re: The next Ichiro...

Postby Mike Fetters » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:09 pm

J35J wrote:Just for the sake of discussion.

Ichiro in future years
.325/8/65/110/35

Ellsbury in future years (a few rounds later)
.295/7/65/115/45

Anyway, with Ellsbury....the speed is there...the plate discipline and eye is there.....the good team is there. I'm not big on drafting speed guys early so I would be more than happy to wait a few rounds and pick up the poor mans Ichiro later.


Note: This is all for discussion and to have a little fun. In no way do I think Ellsbury should be drafted anywhere near Ichiro, yet. Just trying to liven the boards up some and to shed light on some young guys who could prove very valuable in the near future! I was a little suprised at how closely he "could" resemble Ichiro personally. :-]



A .30 point BA difference is huge and there in a nutshell is why you can't compare these two. I will also repeat my concern with Ellsbury and left handed pitching. I'm picking he will struggle to hit .275 against them over a full season. Aside from BA your comparisons are very possible.
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Re: The next Ichiro...

Postby BitterDodgerFan » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:46 pm

Yoda wrote:
Entirely possible but I don't think he will hit enough HR or get SBs to be like Ichiro. Not to mention AVG.


HRs? since when is ichiro a HR hitter? why cant jacoby match him in HRs???
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Re: The next Ichiro...

Postby Yoda » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:55 pm

BitterDodgerFan wrote:
Yoda wrote:
Entirely possible but I don't think he will hit enough HR or get SBs to be like Ichiro. Not to mention AVG.


HRs? since when is ichiro a HR hitter? why cant jacoby match him in HRs???


Did I say Ichiro was a HR hitter somewhere? Even if he is not, he does have some power and hit 13, 15 in a season. Logic tells me that a guy who can't hit double digit HRs in the minors won't do the same in the big leagues but maybe that's just me. He could of course maybe in his prime but it's doubtful looking at his history.
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