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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby AcidRock23 » Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:36 pm

Sitting out to win a batting title = asterisk worthy, punk move IMHO.

Ted Williams 'risking' (not, of course, that Ted would have admitted that there was risk involved but, well, you know...) .400 to play the second game of a double header on the last day of the season= boo yeah.
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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby acsguitar » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:23 pm

davidmarver wrote:Didn't the Rockies used to bench Larry Walker when he was going for batting titles so that he wouldn't hurt his average?

The bottom line: instead of complaining about your guy having more ABs than those other guys, perhaps you should look at the other side of the argument, where Braves fans complain about Coors adding ten to fifteen points to Holliday's. It's a much better argument.


Perhaps you should look at the pitching the Braves have to face in the NL EAST. Other then Hamels is pretty much garbage. I'd say that helps chippers average a bit as well.
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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby raiders_umpire » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:32 pm

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Its gonna so piss me off if Holliday loses the batting title by 1 point because he wasn't injured this year like the other 3




I guess Holliday has a little over a week to pick his game up a notch then if he wants to win the batting title this year. Of course winning games and making the playoffs should mean much more to him then winning a batting title.
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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby acsguitar » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:35 pm

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acsguitar wrote:
Its gonna so piss me off if Holliday loses the batting title by 1 point because he wasn't injured this year like the other 3




I guess Holliday has a little over a week to pick his game up a notch then if he wants to win the batting title this year. Of course winning games and making the playoffs should mean much more to him then winning a batting title.



And it does especially if you hear him talk . He's low key and doesn't care about a batting title. But for the lack of media recognition we get in colorado it would be nice to have an MVP or Batting champ.
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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby raiders_umpire » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:38 pm

acsguitar wrote:

And it does especially if you hear him talk . He's low key and doesn't care about a batting title. But for the lack of media recognition we get in colorado it would be nice to have an MVP or Batting champ.



Larry Walker MVP in 1997
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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby acsguitar » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:51 pm

raiders_umpire wrote:
acsguitar wrote:

And it does especially if you hear him talk . He's low key and doesn't care about a batting title. But for the lack of media recognition we get in colorado it would be nice to have an MVP or Batting champ.



Larry Walker MVP in 1997


Eh I was 16 and living In DC. Means nothing to me!

Go Holliday!
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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby Snakes Gould » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:16 pm

well abs are pretty pointless, how bout you look at plate appearances. i know it probably is the same thing in this case, but you really cant penalize a guy if he walks a lot. hes just doing what he can to get on base. (i know utley, chipper, renteria were all hurt this year. what is the official cutoff for abs? anyone know off the top?i thought it was 450?)
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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby Noggy » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:39 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:what is the official cutoff for abs? anyone know off the top?i thought it was 450?)


ABs don't matter, the cut off is based on PAs.

It's 502 plate appearances (3.1 per team games played) to qualify.
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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby brewcrew4you » Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:18 pm

:~(

I wish Braun had kept his average high enough to beat Holliday without having enough ab's to qualify. Your reaction then might have been priceless.
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Re: Winning a batting title with Less Ab's Your Thoughts

Postby davidmarver » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:13 pm

ACS, how about, after adjusting for pitchers faced, you adjust for the stadium as well? This season, for every one hit in a nuetral stadium, a hitter in Coors Field gets 1.122 hits due to park factors, while a hitter in Turner Field gets 0.905 hits.

So in other words, Holliday has 12.6 extra hits this season because of Coors Field. His nuetral home batting average -- if Coors Field was nuetral -- would be .334 instead of .374. This would make his total batting average .319.

Chipper, on the other hand, has 7.98 less hits this season because of Turner Field. His nuetral home batting average would be .356 instead of .322. This would make his total batting average .359.
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