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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby J35J » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:46 am

Madison wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:This kid was being a nuisance, not a risk.


That's why he got tasered instead of shot. :-D

Art Vandelay wrote: It's lazy, overzealous policing and they should be fired (at least) for their actions.


Lazy? They CARRIED him to the exit. :-b

I'd give them a medal. The kid deserved much more than what he got.



Haha, I agree very much. Just maybe this will prevent other idiots from acting like idiots towards police.
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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby davidmarver » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:32 am

Madison wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:This kid was being a nuisance, not a risk.


That's why he got tasered instead of shot. :-D

Art Vandelay wrote: It's lazy, overzealous policing and they should be fired (at least) for their actions.


Lazy? They CARRIED him to the exit. :-b

I'd give them a medal. The kid deserved much more than what he got.

You're right. He deserved (actually, was required) to hear the miranda rights. To say the kid deserved to be tasered for voicing his opinion, however 'out of turn' it was, while already handcuffed is a joke. I suspect the kid will probably sue and win a lot of money, regardless of any 'disturbing the peace' garbage they throw at him.
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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby Madison » Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:50 am

davidmarver wrote:You're right. He deserved (actually, was required) to hear the miranda rights. To say the kid deserved to be tasered for voicing his opinion, however 'out of turn' it was, while already handcuffed is a joke. I suspect the kid will probably sue and win a lot of money, regardless of any 'disturbing the peace' garbage they throw at him.


I'm going to guess you haven't seen the videos and haven't read the stories. A couple of things:

#1. He did not get tasered for voicing his opinion. He was asked to leave, he didn't. They police tried to escort him from the building, he physically resisted. He was told to stop resisting or he would get tasered, he kept resisting. That's why he got tasered, not for voicing his opinion.

#2. He was not handcuffed when he was tasered. He made sure the whole thing was being taped before he ever stepped to the microphone. He blew the entire thing out of proportion in order to get attention. Have you really looked at this at all? This isn't news. He's got a whole website dedicated to doing stuff like this to get attention. Now do you really think for one instant he wouldn't have screamed that he was cuffed when he got tasered, when it happened, for the cameras to record? Of course not. The police knew it was being recorded too. Think they didn't care about their jobs to the point where they would taser him while he was handcuffed? Have you seen the video of him begging for people to follow him to the police station because he said he was scared the police were going to kill him?

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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby Coppermine » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:06 pm

He never should have been asked to leave in my opinion. He got what he got for resisting, but being asked to leave in the first place is the problem with this country. Free speech is a joke now. Hey, isn't it easier to just pre-screen all questions so no one gets away with not kissing a politician's ass?

Now I don't know what UofF's policy is on this sort of thing; maybe he knew they would end up pulling him off the mic. The part that upsets me is the Kerry didn't do a damn thing. Way to be another big 'P' democrat Kerry; exactly the point this student was trying to make. It would have been a good opportunity to practice what he preaches about how George W. tramples on our rights and freedoms and how things would be so much better if he were president. Give me a break. He had a right to ask his questions. I'm sorry, but if the student was allowed to just continue, this wouldn't even be news.

Another note; Miranda rights never need to be read at the moment of arrest. Only before questioning and after the suspect is in custody. This is one of the biggest misconceptions in law enforcement thanks to cop shows and bad movies.
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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby Madison » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:32 pm

Coppermine wrote:He never should have been asked to leave in my opinion.


Depends on your definition of acceptable behavior. His behavior up to the microphone being cut off was unacceptable in many people's opinion. He cut Kerry off several times, kept repeating the same things, used terminology that generally is unacceptable, and just didn't have any manners or dignity whatsoever. The crowd even clapped when the police started to escort him out. If the university thought his behavior was unacceptable, they have every right to remove him. Having free speech does not mean there is no code of conduct.

Coppermine wrote: The part that upsets me is the Kerry didn't do a damn thing. Way to be another big 'P' democrat Kerry; exactly the point this student was trying to make. It would have been a good opportunity to practice what he preaches about how George W. tramples on our rights and freedoms and how things would be so much better if he were president.


I'm not a fan of Kerry at all, but I thought he handled it quite well. He tried to diffuse the situation and even told the officers that he wanted to answer the boy's "important questions". What was Kerry supposed to do? Step off the stage, come face to face with the officers, and stick his nose into something that he might not know all the details about (for all Kerry knew, this kid could have been escorted out for a totally unrelated problem)? Imagine those headlines: "Kerry demands to be allowed to answer drug dealer's questions!" Just as a possible example of how Kerry could have looked like a fool by sticking his nose into something he might not have all the details about. That's asking and expecting quite a bit.

Coppermine wrote:He had a right to ask his questions. I'm sorry, but if the student was allowed to just continue, this wouldn't even be news.


Agreed. The boy did have the right to ask his questions. I don't disagree with that at all. Shame no one taught him how to do that in with a touch of dignity and self respect.

And I agree the police were quick to get their hands on him. Went from cutting the mic to hands on very quickly. Too quickly. Another 20-30 seconds and either this would have been a total non-story, or the situation would have escalated (and due to the kid's behavior, that's not far-fetched at all) and there would be zero doubt for anyone that the kid deserved to be removed due to his inappropriate behavior. We'll never know which way it would have gone.
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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby josebach » Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:06 pm

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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby Coppermine » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:21 pm

All good points Madison, and I don't necessarily disagree with any of them. I think it comes down to the fact that there are gray areas here; what is or isn't appropriate, whether or not it went a little too far a little to fast or if, and I believe this deep down, that this student almost seemed to want this to happen in order to be made an example of.

But, I also think that they should have just let him talk and make an ass out of himself because that seemed like, more or less, the only direction he was heading in.
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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby Coppermine » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:23 pm



Hahha, it's too sad that this is funny...

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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby StlSluggers » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:03 pm

YES! :-D ;-D
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Re: Student arrested and tasered

Postby thedude » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:48 pm

The kids an arrogant idiot. There is a reason you never resist police. as soon as they started to remove him, he starts fighting back and screaming. If he had just left quietly then he would not have been tazered or spent the night in jail.
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