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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby davidmarver » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:43 pm

$110 billion is $107 billion more than it would cost to pay a $250 one-way ticket to Mexico for all illegal immigrants (estimated 12 million). And not only would that drive down health costs -- Americans pay nearly $3 billion a year in Medicaid to provide benefits to the children of illegal aliens for one year* -- but it'd greatly help the airlines.

* - according to the Center for Immigration Studies.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby Madison » Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:40 pm

No average cost or real number estimates on what individuals would pay for it in that article? If she's scared to say, then it's far too high, and a bad plan in my opinion. Until I hear some numbers, hard to say anything different.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby JTWood » Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:03 pm

IllinoisBandit wrote:Forcing people to have health insurance is wrong. It's the right of the citizen to determine whether or not they need it, or whether they can afford to allocate their funds to it.

I don't know about a right, but it's definitely more sensible.

IllinoisBandit wrote:Not to mention she's already telling outright dreamland fibs about it. No increased bureaucracy? Give me a break. Please tell me how you're going to regulate this law without creating an agency to enforce it.

Yeah, I don't believe the $110B price tag, either. I can imagine it getting to the trillions in no time.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby statsman88 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:21 am

Mookie4ever wrote:
statsman88 wrote:In Canada where they have universal healthcare, you have to wait something like 3 years just to see a doctor because everyone abuses the system.


You have no idea what you're talking about.


can you tell me what your perspective is?
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby bleach168 » Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:03 am

Universal health care costs about 10% of a country's GDP (in England and Japan it is 8%). Here in the U.S., we spend 15.2% of the GDP on our private health care system. If we were to spend 5.2% less, our country would save $675 billion annually.


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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby Mookie4ever » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:41 am

statsman88 wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:
statsman88 wrote:In Canada where they have universal healthcare, you have to wait something like 3 years just to see a doctor because everyone abuses the system.


You have no idea what you're talking about.


can you tell me what your perspective is?


Here - I don't want to have to type it all over again

3 years to see a doctor? Get real. I hear that in the US everybody carries a gun and spits tobacco - is that true?

I'm sure that in some areas health care is worse than others and there are incentives in place to get doctors to work in the north but no country in the world has a perfect system.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby AussieDodger » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:56 pm

Australia has the best healthcare system in the world. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh sorry , this isn't the gloat about it page?
My bad , carry on.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby Amazinz » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:38 pm

Bah. The miracle medicinal properties of Vegemite hide all the flaws of the Australian health system. }:-)
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby josebach » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:05 pm

Amazinz wrote:Bah. The miracle medicinal properties of Vegemite hide all the flaws of the Australian health system. }:-)


That's a little overkill, isn't it. I mean, it's a mistake. The health care system is great down under. Just ask Dr Heckyll. I want to know who has better health care than Australia? Come one... who can it be now?
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby brewcrew4you » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:07 pm

StlSluggers wrote:
brewcrew4you wrote:Here is what the Canadian Institute for Health Information has as current wait times

Some things aren't bad, but MRI wait times of months is not enticing :-t

Are MRI wait times better here?


A couple of days, give or take. I worked a year in a clinic that had a MRI, CT, and X-ray.
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