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The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby StlSluggers » Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:53 pm

Highlights:

  • Everyone must have insurance.
  • You can continue to get insurance through work.
  • Employers will have to contribute to fund for uninsured if they don't offer insurance to their employees.
  • Medicare to be expanded.
  • Insurance to be available, even for pre-existing conditions.
  • Estimated cost: $110B/year.
  • Tax credits for poor.
  • Repeal of "Bush-era" credits to wealthy to help pay cost.
MSNBC.com link
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby Pacman » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:18 pm

Not commenting on this, other than to say, I'm against it.


But...



"The Bullet Hits the Bone"... immediately brought to mind: "Twilight Zone" by the band Golden Earring. Great early 80s tune.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby StlSluggers » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:01 pm

Pacman wrote:"The Bullet Hits the Bone"... immediately brought to mind: "Twilight Zone" by the band Golden Earring. Great early 80s tune.

Me, too. :-D
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby statsman88 » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:31 pm

In Canada where they have universal healthcare, you have to wait something like 3 years just to see a doctor because everyone abuses the system.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby StlSluggers » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:43 pm

statsman88 wrote:In Canada where they have universal healthcare, you have to wait something like 3 years just to see a doctor because everyone abuses the system.

I believe this has been proven false before.

Business Week article:

...as several surveys and numerous anecdotes show, waiting times in the U.S. are often as bad or worse as those in other industrialized nations—despite the fact that the U.S. spends considerably more per capita on health care than any other country. In addition, 48 million people without insurance do not have ready access to the system.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby Mookie4ever » Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:52 pm

statsman88 wrote:In Canada where they have universal healthcare, you have to wait something like 3 years just to see a doctor because everyone abuses the system.


You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby brewcrew4you » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:01 pm

Here is what the Canadian Institute for Health Information has as current wait times

Some things aren't bad, but MRI wait times of months is not enticing :-t
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby StlSluggers » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:06 pm

brewcrew4you wrote:Here is what the Canadian Institute for Health Information has as current wait times

Some things aren't bad, but MRI wait times of months is not enticing :-t

Are MRI wait times better here?
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby Art Vandelay » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:55 pm

I haven't had time to look at this in any depth yet, but on a related note: I wish Senator Ron Wyden's Healthy Americans Act would have got more publicity. No plan will be perfect, but his had some good ideas in it...some of which look like they were co-opted here by Sen. Clinton. Anyway, I'm just glad to see someone of national prominence at least proposing some kind of solution.
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Re: The Bullet Hits the Bone: Clinton's Health Care Plan

Postby IllinoisBandit » Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:27 pm

This plan is absolutely horrific.
Forcing people to have health insurance is wrong. It's the right of the citizen to determine whether or not they need it, or whether they can afford to allocate their funds to it.

Not to mention she's already telling outright dreamland fibs about it. No increased bureaucracy? Give me a break. Please tell me how you're going to regulate this law without creating an agency to enforce it.

I think the verdict is still out on socialized medicine, but this is NOT socialized medicine.
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