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Postby Pogotheostrich » Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:43 pm

Brendo wrote:does your standard deviation take into account that only 10-12 of any position are used for fantasy purposes.....I mean, you can have Jeff Cirillo if you want......

I'd tend to agree that in terms of top production, there are fewer at 3B than at SS or 1st....2B being the weakest


Pogotheostrich wrote:Here is the standard deviation $ values from last year for the top 12 at each position except OF which is top 36. Note Pujols is listed as an OF.

C - 8.64
1B - 6.99
2B - 9.76
SS - 11.14
3B - 5.42
OF - 7.57
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Postby Guest » Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:14 pm

3rd base is the second strongest position on the field besides the OF????? Use all the standard Deviations that you want and I will smoke your ass in a REAL league. Second base and catcher are the weakest positions on the field with 3rd base not far behind.

Go ahead and fill your team with scrubs and enjoy third place
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:16 pm

Anonymous wrote:3rd base is the second strongest position on the field besides the OF????? Use all the standard Deviations that you want and I will smoke your ass in a REAL league. Second base and catcher are the weakest positions on the field with 3rd base not far behind.

Go ahead and fill your team with scrubs and enjoy third place


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Postby Brendo » Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:28 pm

even after being corrected by an ostrich, i still disagree that third is so deep

there is a level of consistency from 5 on down, but those top 4 are far and away better than the rest

whoever gets those players has an advantage
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Postby Pogotheostrich » Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:36 am

Brendo wrote:even after being corrected by an ostrich, i still disagree that third is so deep

there is a level of consistency from 5 on down, but those top 4 are far and away better than the rest

whoever gets those players has an advantage
I think the advantage depends where you draft these players. Who has the advantage the team that drafts Rolen/Chavez in the 2nd/3rd round or the team that drafts D. Young in the 10th/11th round.
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Postby unclepaulie » Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:59 am

Have you guys seen the AVG spot elite 3rd basemen are going at in ESPN's fantasy drafts? It looks like rounds four through six are very popular spots for this position. Go figure ;-) ?????????

1. Alex Rodriguez, Tex SS 1.12 0.00 100.0
2. Albert Pujols, StL OF 2.31 0.00 100.0
3. Alfonso Soriano, NYY 2B 2.97 -0.01 100.0
4. Vladimir Guerrero, Ana OF 4.99 -0.01 100.0
5. Todd Helton, Col 1B 5.79 0.00 100.0
6. Carlos Beltran, KC OF 6.63 -0.01 100.0
7. Mark Prior, ChC P 6.70 +0.05 100.0
8. San Francisco OF, SF OF 9.19 -0.04 100.0
9. Nomar Garciaparra, Bos SS 9.34 0.00 100.0
10. Manny Ramirez, Bos OF 11.46 0.00 100.0
11. Miguel Tejada, Bal SS 13.02 +0.03 100.0
12. Pedro Martinez, Bos P 13.76 -0.02 100.0
13. Gary Sheffield, NYY OF 13.98 -0.01 100.0
14. Magglio Ordonez, ChW OF 15.52 0.00 100.0
15. Curt Schilling, Bos P 17.03 -0.01 100.0
16. Randy Johnson, Ari P 19.06 -0.14 100.0
17. Bret Boone, Sea 2B 19.63 -0.04 100.0
18. Sammy Sosa, ChC OF 19.88 -0.01 100.0
19. Eric Gagne, LA P 20.55 -0.07 100.0
20. Edgar Renteria, StL SS 20.71 -0.06 100.0
21. Roy Halladay, Tor P 21.41 +0.08 100.0
22. Jim Thome, Phi 1B 22.23 -0.07 100.0
23. Ichiro Suzuki, Sea OF 22.76 +0.04 100.0
24. Scott Rolen, StL 3B 23.92 +0.02 100.0
25. Carlos Delgado, Tor 1B 25.04 +0.03 100.0
26. Preston Wilson, Col OF 26.05 +0.01 100.0
27. Jason Giambi, NYY 1B 28.77 -0.08 100.0
28. Kerry Wood, ChC P 29.55 +0.04 100.0
29. Eric Chavez, Oak 3B 29.92 +0.16 100.0
30. Derek Jeter, NYY SS 30.92 +0.12 100.0
31. Jason Schmidt, SF P 32.85 -0.04 100.0
32. Vernon Wells, Tor OF 32.97 +0.06 100.0
33. Billy Wagner, Phi P 33.57 -0.23 100.0
34. Mike Piazza, NYM C 36.16 -0.16 100.0
35. Jeff Kent, Hou 2B 38.14 -0.02 100.0
36. Juan Pierre, Fla OF 38.35 +0.08 100.0
37. Javier Vazquez, NYY P 39.56 +0.18 100.0
38. Keith Foulke, Bos P 40.33 -0.14 100.0
39. John Smoltz, Atl P 41.14 -0.10 100.0
40. Mike Mussina, NYY P 42.86 -0.06 100.0
41. Richie Sexson, Ari 1B 43.11 -0.08 100.0
42. Brian Giles, SD OF 44.27 -0.03 100.0
43. Lance Berkman, Hou OF 45.08 -0.11 100.0
44. Bob Abreu, Phi OF 45.76 -0.22 100.0
45. Javy Lopez, Bal C 45.82 0.00 100.0
46. Jorge Posada, NYY C 46.41 +0.14 100.0
47. Mike Lowell, Fla 3B 47.40 0.00 100.0
48. Mariano Rivera, NYY P 47.56 -0.11 100.0
49. Ivan Rodriguez, Det C 47.76 +0.08 100.0
50. Tim Hudson, Oak P 48.82 +0.06 100.0
51. Rafael Furcal, Atl SS 49.34 +0.15 100.0
52. Garret Anderson, Ana OF 53.37 -0.09 100.0
53. Jeff Bagwell, Hou 1B 55.30 -0.11 100.0
54. Roy Oswalt, Hou P 55.68 +0.08 100.0
55. Hank Blalock, Tex 3B 57.00 0.00 100.0
56. Aubrey Huff, Tam OF 57.40 -0.01 100.0
57. Kevin Brown, NYY P 57.96 -0.04 100.0
58. Derrek Lee, ChC 1B 58.85 -0.12 100.0
59. Josh Beckett, Fla P 59.50 +0.27 100.0
60. Barry Zito, Oak P 62.39 +0.08 100.0
61. Octavio Dotel, Hou P 62.90 -0.34 100.0
62. Carl Crawford, Tam OF 65.11 -0.13 100.0
63. Luis Castillo, Fla 2B 65.97 +0.01 100.0
64. Chipper Jones, Atl OF 67.21 -0.26 100.0
65. Andruw Jones, Atl OF 67.28 +0.05 100.0
66. Kazuo Matsui, NYM SS 69.77 +0.13 100.0
67. Jose Vidro, Mon 2B 70.66 +0.07 100.0
68. Orlando Cabrera, Mon SS 70.69 +0.11 100.0
69. Marcus Giles, Atl 2B 72.08 +0.03 100.0
70. Eddie Guardado, Sea P 72.22 -0.47 100.0
71. Mark Mulder, Oak P 73.03 +0.07 100.0
72. Carlos Lee, ChW OF 74.90 -0.16 100.0
73. Bartolo Colon, Ana P 75.16 -0.21 100.0
74. Johan Santana, Min P 75.37 +0.06 100.0
75. Esteban Loaiza, ChW P 75.93 -0.12 100.0
76. Jose Reyes, NYM SS 79.45 +0.15 100.0
77. Angel Berroa, KC SS 79.59 +0.02 100.0
78. Troy Glaus, Ana 3B 81.45 +0.38 100.0 (great value at this spot IMO)
79. Troy Percival, Ana P 81.77 -0.35 100.0
80. Jason Isringhausen, StL
81. Mark Teixeira, Tex 1B 85.14 +0.35 100.0
82. Phil Nevin, SD 1B 85.37 -0.07 100.0
83. Miguel Cabrera, Fla OF 86.43 +0.36 100.0
84. Mike Sweeney, KC 1B 86.81 +0.02 100.0
85. Shawn Green, LA OF 86.84 -0.20 100.0
86. Luis Gonzalez, Ari OF 88.06 -0.16 100.0
87. Matt Morris, StL P 88.70 -0.04 100.0
88. Trevor Hoffman, SD P 89.59 -0.52 100.0
89. Brandon Webb, Ari P 90.99 +0.04 100.0
90. Jim Edmonds, StL OF 92.29 +0.02 100.0
91. Arthur Rhodes, Oak P 92.82 -0.50 100.0
92. Morgan Ensberg, Hou 3B 94.65 +0.11 100.0
93. Johnny Damon, Bos OF 95.22 -0.04 100.0
94. Scott Podsednik, Mil OF 96.04 +0.04 100.0
95. Michael Young, Tex 2B 99.70 -0.08 100.0
96. Joe Borowski, ChC P 100.21 -0.22 100.0
97. Matt Mantei, Ari P 100.52 -0.47 100.0
98. Aramis Ramirez, ChC 3B 100.78 +0.10 100.0
99. Armando Benitez, Fla P 100.95 -0.46 100.0
100. Frank Thomas, ChW 1B 102.70 -0.12 100.0
101. Rocco Baldelli, Tam OF 103.61 +0.30 100.0
102. Kevin Millwood, Phi P 104.15 +0.14 100.0
103. Jason Varitek, Bos C 104.21 +0.25 100.0
104. Andy Pettitte, Hou P 104.70 +0.47 100.0
105. Roger Clemens, Hou P 104.72 +0.13 100.0
106. Hideo Nomo, LA P 106.09 -0.20 100.0
107. Richard Hidalgo, Hou OF 108.51 +0.10 100.0
108. Wade Miller, Hou P 110.30 +0.11 100.0
109. Rafael Palmeiro, Bal 1B 114.26 +0.14 100.0
110. Randy Wolf, Phi P 116.87 -0.32 100.0
111. Robb Nen, SF P 117.19 -0.67 99.8
112. David Ortiz, Bos 1B 117.35 -0.01 100.0
113. Austin Kearns, Cin OF 119.50 +0.14 99.6
114. Juan Gonzalez, KC OF 119.64 -0.09 100.0
115. Ray Durham, SF 2B 120.26 -0.03 100.0
116. Hideki Matsui, NYY OF 120.37 -0.19 100.0
117. Jorge Julio, Bal P 120.68 -0.20 100.0
118. Carlos Zambrano, ChC P 122.42 +0.10 100.0
119. Jimmy Rollins, Phi SS 124.07 -0.09 99.6
120. Greg Maddux, Atl P 127.22 -0.10 100.0
121. Corey Patterson, ChC OF 127.44 +0.24 100.0
122. Ken Griffey Jr, Cin OF 128.00 -0.18 100.0
123. Joe Nathan, Min P 128.98 -0.51 99.4
124. Francisco Cordero, Tex P 129.24 -0.47 99.4
125. Dontrelle Willis, Fla P 130.13 +0.59 100.0
126. Trot Nixon, Bos OF 131.05 -0.17 100.0
127. Torii Hunter, Min OF 131.12 +0.18 99.8
128. Larry Walker, Col OF 131.66 -0.23 99.6
129. Rich Harden, Oak P 134.93 +0.70 99.6
130. Jamie Moyer, Sea P 136.04 +0.09 100.0
131. Danny Kolb, Mil P 136.20 -0.26 99.6
132. Randy Winn, Sea OF 136.64 -0.04 99.4
133. Joel Pineiro, Sea P 137.44 +0.01 100.0
134. Braden Looper, NYM P 137.60 -0.53 98.8
135. Jeromy Burnitz, Col OF 138.03 -0.16 99.4
136. Milton Bradley, Cle OF 138.24 +0.31 99.2
137. Jason Kendall, Pit C 140.37 +0.10 99.8
138. Ryan Klesko, SD 1B 140.42 -0.40 99.6
139. Eric Hinske, Tor 3B 143.89 +0.58 97.9
140. Woody Williams, StL P 144.18 -0.08 99.8
141. Ugueth Urbina, Fla P 144.24 +0.06 99.6
142. Russ Ortiz, Atl P 144.91 +0.18 99.6
143. Mike Lieberthal, Phi C 146.34 +0.47 99.2
144. Shannon Stewart, Min OF 148.35 +0.18 97.9
145. Jose Contreras, NYY P 149.72 -0.01 98.1
146. Dmitri Young, Det OF 150.11 -0.07 98.4
147. Mike MacDougal, KC P 150.34 -0.12 98.3
148. Nick Johnson, Mon 1B 152.03 +0.19 96.7
149. Corey Koskie, Min 3B 152.63 +0.02 97.7
150. Pat Burrell, Phi OF 155.92 -0.03 95.9
151. Bill Mueller, Bos 3B 156.27 +0.49 95.1
152. Matt Clement, ChC P 156.92 +0.10 98.8
153. Carl Everett, Mon OF 160.48 -0.63 96.7
154. Alex Sanchez, Det OF 161.29 -0.03 93.4
155. Derek Lowe, Bos P 162.11 +0.63 97.7
156. Placido Polanco, Phi 2B 162.74 -0.05 95.7
157. Adam Dunn, Cin OF 163.10 +0.14 93.8
158. Shawn Chacon, Col P 163.27 -0.07 89.9
159. Bernie Williams, NYY OF 166.94 +0.24 93.0
160. Kevin Millar, Bos 1B 168.13 +0.15 93.6
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