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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby Yoda » Fri Aug 17, 2007 9:38 am

Snakes Gould wrote:
Yoda wrote:Hanley > Reyes will ever be.


im pretty sure you havent always had that viewpoint ;-7

as for 40/40 potential someday? he already possesses that "potential" but the 40 knocks will be hard to come by.


hanley will not win the mvp no matter what. even if he somehow gets to 30/50, which he probably will not, the fact that he plays for the marlins eliminates him.


Before the season began I thought Hanley would be one of the hardest to fall. I was wrong and given that he is only getting better, I have to give credit when it is due.

Hanley's current season blows away anything Reyes ever did. Hanley is younger and he is already a much more disciplined hitter with power which I think he will always maintain over Reyes. Reyes is a very good player in a big market city. He's exciting and more flashy but Hanley is the better player.
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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby RyanK » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:11 pm

Imagine if he was still a Red Sox... Beckett is doing great, and Lowell has been pretty solid as well, but I think they would benifit more from having Hanley.
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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby Kingctb27 » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:31 pm

Yoda wrote:
Snakes Gould wrote:
Yoda wrote:Hanley > Reyes will ever be.


im pretty sure you havent always had that viewpoint ;-7

as for 40/40 potential someday? he already possesses that "potential" but the 40 knocks will be hard to come by.


hanley will not win the mvp no matter what. even if he somehow gets to 30/50, which he probably will not, the fact that he plays for the marlins eliminates him.


Before the season began I thought Hanley would be one of the hardest to fall. I was wrong and given that he is only getting better, I have to give credit when it is due.

Hanley's current season blows away anything Reyes ever did. Hanley is younger and he is already a much more disciplined hitter with power which I think he will always maintain over Reyes. Reyes is a very good player in a big market city. He's exciting and more flashy but Hanley is the better player.

Have you seen Hanley play in the field compared to Reyes? ;-7
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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby djxskillz » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:26 pm

Why is Holliday not as good of a candidate as Hanley? Rockies as bad as they are, are actually in the playoff hunt thanks to him.
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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby George_Foreman » Fri Aug 17, 2007 3:31 pm

Kingctb27 wrote:Have you seen Hanley play in the field compared to Reyes? ;-7
Have you seen the offensive numbers Reyes has put up compared to Ramirez? ;-7
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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby Yoda » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:08 pm

George_Foreman wrote:
Kingctb27 wrote:Have you seen Hanley play in the field compared to Reyes? ;-7
Have you seen the offensive numbers Reyes has put up compared to Ramirez? ;-7


Yeah put Hanley in the Mutts lineup and no one would ever argue that he is better than Reyes.
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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby WharfRat » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:34 pm

djxskillz wrote:Why is Holliday not as good of a candidate as Hanley? Rockies as bad as they are, are actually in the playoff hunt thanks to him.


Hanley is a little more productive offensively, and he's a shortstop playing at sea level, versus a corner outfielder playing on a mountain.
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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby cordscords » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:30 pm

Yoda wrote:and he is already a much more disciplined hitter with power which I think he will always maintain over Reyes.


While H-Ram is an incredible hitter, and I think he should considered for the MVP award, him and Reyes arent that far apart. In fact Reyes is the more patient hitter:

Reyes- 10.5 BB%, 11.7 K%
Ramirez- 7.3 BB%, 15.5 K%

And while Ramirez has stepped it up in the power department this season, H-Ram had a 37.2 AB/HR ratio, while Reyes had a AB/HR ratio of 34.0. Not the biggest gap in the world but Reyes still out performed him. Yes Reyes had seen more major league pitching than he did at the time. I dont factor in age considering Reyes is older by 6 months.

The fact that H-Ram is putting up bigger power #'s this season doesnt mean he continues to build on his power stroke. I personally believe he will, but it's not a given. And people forget how young Reyes still his, he still has time to fill out. It wouldnt shock me if he turned into a 20-25 HR per season guy in the near future.

Bottom line is both these guys are fantastic young SS's, and it's going to be fun seeing who winds up with better career #'s.
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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby Yoda » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:56 pm

cordscords wrote:
Yoda wrote:and he is already a much more disciplined hitter with power which I think he will always maintain over Reyes.


While H-Ram is an incredible hitter, and I think he should considered for the MVP award, him and Reyes arent that far apart. In fact Reyes is the more patient hitter:

Reyes- 10.5 BB%, 11.7 K%
Ramirez- 7.3 BB%, 15.5 K%

And while Ramirez has stepped it up in the power department this season, H-Ram had a 37.2 AB/HR ratio, while Reyes had a AB/HR ratio of 34.0. Not the biggest gap in the world but Reyes still out performed him. Yes Reyes had seen more major league pitching than he did at the time. I dont factor in age considering Reyes is older by 6 months.

The fact that H-Ram is putting up bigger power #'s this season doesnt mean he continues to build on his power stroke. I personally believe he will, but it's not a given. And people forget how young Reyes still his, he still has time to fill out. It wouldnt shock me if he turned into a 20-25 HR per season guy in the near future.

Bottom line is both these guys are fantastic young SS's, and it's going to be fun seeing who winds up with better career #'s.


Based on MLB experience/service time it is not even close right now. Hanley is blowing away Reyes in pretty much everything.
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Re: The official HanRam for NL MVP thread...

Postby pokerplaya » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:58 pm

cordscords wrote:
Yoda wrote:and he is already a much more disciplined hitter with power which I think he will always maintain over Reyes.


While H-Ram is an incredible hitter, and I think he should considered for the MVP award, him and Reyes arent that far apart. In fact Reyes is the more patient hitter:

Reyes- 10.5 BB%, 11.7 K%
Ramirez- 7.3 BB%, 15.5 K%

And while Ramirez has stepped it up in the power department this season, H-Ram had a 37.2 AB/HR ratio, while Reyes had a AB/HR ratio of 34.0. Not the biggest gap in the world but Reyes still out performed him. Yes Reyes had seen more major league pitching than he did at the time. I dont factor in age considering Reyes is older by 6 months.

The fact that H-Ram is putting up bigger power #'s this season doesnt mean he continues to build on his power stroke. I personally believe he will, but it's not a given. And people forget how young Reyes still his, he still has time to fill out. It wouldnt shock me if he turned into a 20-25 HR per season guy in the near future.

Bottom line is both these guys are fantastic young SS's, and it's going to be fun seeing who winds up with better career #'s.


Agreed.
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