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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby Pirates4Life » Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:23 pm

I just recently traded Utley in a dynasty league, and one of the players I got in return was Upton. I also have Phillips, and I love having him as my 2B, but I think Upton has the higher upside. IF - and it's a big IF - Upton can stay at 2B long term, I think he's the best non-Utley 2B over the next few years, followed closely by Phillips and Kinsler. I'm a big fan of Kinsler, also.

As it's already been pointed out, Upton has been slightly more productive with his ABs, and while his K rate is truly awful right now, he's shown significant imrovement in it over the last couple months - which is to be expected from a kid as young as Upton. He's reduced his K rate to about 1 every 4 to 5 official ABs, which is still a high pace but nothing close to what it was at the beginning of the year.

Can't go wrong with either of them, but I think Upton has truly elite potential. It's just a matter of whether or not the Rays end up dealing Baldelli and sticking him in CF, or if they keep Baldelli and keep Upton at 2B.
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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby knapplc » Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:32 pm

I'd just like to thank THE CAFE for turning me on to Brandon Phillips last year in my Keeper league. I can't remember if someone told me about him in a PM, if he just popped up in conversations last year or what, but I picked him up at some point last season and enjoyed having him. I had to cut him due to our Keeper rules this past season, and since nobody in my league apparently knows how to read I was able to wait (and wait and wait) to pick him up in this year's 14th round (19th round counting Keepers).

You can bet your sweet bippy I'm keeping him next year, though.

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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:38 pm

Pirates4Life wrote:I just recently traded Utley in a dynasty league, and one of the players I got in return was Upton. I also have Phillips, and I love having him as my 2B, but I think Upton has the higher upside. IF - and it's a big IF - Upton can stay at 2B long term, I think he's the best non-Utley 2B over the next few years, followed closely by Phillips and Kinsler. I'm a big fan of Kinsler, also.

As it's already been pointed out, Upton has been slightly more productive with his ABs, and while his K rate is truly awful right now, he's shown significant imrovement in it over the last couple months - which is to be expected from a kid as young as Upton. He's reduced his K rate to about 1 every 4 to 5 official ABs, which is still a high pace but nothing close to what it was at the beginning of the year.

Can't go wrong with either of them, but I think Upton has truly elite potential. It's just a matter of whether or not the Rays end up dealing Baldelli and sticking him in CF, or if they keep Baldelli and keep Upton at 2B.


That is the problem with Upton, he wont be 2B elig past next year
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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby Pirates4Life » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:09 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
Pirates4Life wrote:I just recently traded Utley in a dynasty league, and one of the players I got in return was Upton. I also have Phillips, and I love having him as my 2B, but I think Upton has the higher upside. IF - and it's a big IF - Upton can stay at 2B long term, I think he's the best non-Utley 2B over the next few years, followed closely by Phillips and Kinsler. I'm a big fan of Kinsler, also.

As it's already been pointed out, Upton has been slightly more productive with his ABs, and while his K rate is truly awful right now, he's shown significant imrovement in it over the last couple months - which is to be expected from a kid as young as Upton. He's reduced his K rate to about 1 every 4 to 5 official ABs, which is still a high pace but nothing close to what it was at the beginning of the year.

Can't go wrong with either of them, but I think Upton has truly elite potential. It's just a matter of whether or not the Rays end up dealing Baldelli and sticking him in CF, or if they keep Baldelli and keep Upton at 2B.


That is the problem with Upton, he wont be 2B elig past next year


Just wondering...

How definite is that? With rumors swirling about the Rays wanting to move Iwamura, do you really think the Rays feel they'd be better off with someone like Brendan Harris at 2B over Upton? I understand that Upton is likely going to be the CF of the future, but is there really no chance that he stays at 2B and the Rays fill in CF with someone else or keep Baldelli?
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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby deerayfan072 » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:17 pm

Pirates4Life wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:
Pirates4Life wrote:I just recently traded Utley in a dynasty league, and one of the players I got in return was Upton. I also have Phillips, and I love having him as my 2B, but I think Upton has the higher upside. IF - and it's a big IF - Upton can stay at 2B long term, I think he's the best non-Utley 2B over the next few years, followed closely by Phillips and Kinsler. I'm a big fan of Kinsler, also.

As it's already been pointed out, Upton has been slightly more productive with his ABs, and while his K rate is truly awful right now, he's shown significant imrovement in it over the last couple months - which is to be expected from a kid as young as Upton. He's reduced his K rate to about 1 every 4 to 5 official ABs, which is still a high pace but nothing close to what it was at the beginning of the year.

Can't go wrong with either of them, but I think Upton has truly elite potential. It's just a matter of whether or not the Rays end up dealing Baldelli and sticking him in CF, or if they keep Baldelli and keep Upton at 2B.


That is the problem with Upton, he wont be 2B elig past next year


Just wondering...

How definite is that? With rumors swirling about the Rays wanting to move Iwamura, do you really think the Rays feel they'd be better off with someone like Brendan Harris at 2B over Upton? I understand that Upton is likely going to be the CF of the future, but is there really no chance that he stays at 2B and the Rays fill in CF with someone else or keep Baldelli?


UMMM move Aki? Move him to 2B. They are not looking to trade him. He is going to 2B or staying at 3B and evan will move. Aki is going anywhere. I see them trying to move Rocco if he can stay healthy. They want the OF to be CC, BJ, and Delmon. The INF will be Aki, Evan, and Reid by the end of next year
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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby Pirates4Life » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:06 pm

deerayfan072 wrote:
Pirates4Life wrote:
deerayfan072 wrote:That is the problem with Upton, he wont be 2B elig past next year


Just wondering...

How definite is that? With rumors swirling about the Rays wanting to move Iwamura, do you really think the Rays feel they'd be better off with someone like Brendan Harris at 2B over Upton? I understand that Upton is likely going to be the CF of the future, but is there really no chance that he stays at 2B and the Rays fill in CF with someone else or keep Baldelli?


UMMM move Aki? Move him to 2B. They are not looking to trade him. He is going to 2B or staying at 3B and evan will move. Aki is going anywhere. I see them trying to move Rocco if he can stay healthy. They want the OF to be CC, BJ, and Delmon. The INF will be Aki, Evan, and Reid by the end of next year


Well, I can't remember where I heard it, but I've actually read a couple times that the Rays may look into moving Iwamura in the offseason, perhaps even in a waiver deal. I wondered at the time about who the long-term 2B would be.

I took a quick look around, but I just can't find where I read about it.
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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby Secret Avatar » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:38 pm

I'm definately targetting Upton for 2B next year. He has the potential to post Utley numbers and should be available much later in the draft. He's still young, still a bit raw, but he has proven he can hit for average (something Philips, Weeks, and Uggla have not shown) and in terms of raw power-speed combo he's nearly unmatched. Plus, I still think that Tampa lineup has got some pop if they can all put it together.
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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby PokeyReesePOTUS » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:46 pm

all this talk about "consistency"... let's not forget, Phillips was a HUGE bust of a top prospect for many years. last year he finally broke out. he definitely doesn't have any sort of advantage in "consistency".

and this is coming from someone who is: A) from the same state as Brandon B) a Reds fan C) someone who watched him in the minors before he played in the majors.

Upton > Phillips, long term.

However, I also realize Upton wont PLAY 2B long term. but for next year, id rather have bossman.
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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby jhofingers » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:03 pm

It seems odd to me that nobody has given Cano any respect. I figure its just everyone hating on Yankees players. Take a look at his stats these past two years and although his AVG. has declined (he may get it back in the .330 range before this seasons up) his power numbers are improving and next year he is a potential 20-80-.330 2B which is pretty damn good. Not to mention the man has speed except the Yankees never let him run, I only wish they would give him the green light a little more and he would be mentioned alongside Utley and Upton.
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Re: Next year 2B after Utley.

Postby rja8719 » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:56 am

I think Uggla's BA will improve next year, he's been very streaky this entire year, I even think he'll end this year well above where he's at now.
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