buffalobillsrul2002 wrote:Do postseason wins count on the career win total? Becuase if so, it's possible that Randy could get number 300 in the playoffs this year.... that would be really really cool....
Snakes Gould wrote:i still doubt that anyone will do this, not including randy johnson or someone who's there already...
felix, cc, johan, peavy etc... no shot.
I think Felix has a shot to get there. He's only 22, and he's showing that he has the talent to win 15 games a year for a long time. And Sabathia might have a shot. He's got 111 wins and he's only 28. If he can somehow make it to age 40 (I don't think he will, but if he he can...), and he can win 15 games a year, he'll be close.
I also want to add that whether or not anybody gets to 300 wins again is very dependent upon the evolution of baseball. It's completely possible (though doubtful) that baseball reverts back to an era where starters finish (or come close to finishing) their own games. A fair amount of this is also dependent on medical science, as the thing keeping these guys form 300 wins will usually be injury instead of performance......
Late to the party, but I'm among the naysayers. I don't know about season long pitch counts because that only affects a couple years of a players career. But, game pitch counts probably take 15-30 wins off a pitchers career. That's just a guess, but how many pitchers get up to 110-120 pitches by the end of the 6th, get taken out to see their lead blown?
Another big reason players will never get to 300 again is because of injuries and money. Players get shut down all the time now if teams are out of contention for minor injuries. I'm sure that happened a little in the past but not to the extent we see today.
Maybe it could happen but I'm doubtful and I agree that 250 is going to be the new 300 for HOF standards. Maddux, Johnson and Glavine, maybe Clemens will be elected and then a pitcher won't get in for awhile except for the closers. Once Santana and other guys who had long careers but didn't make it to 300 the committee will have to reevaluate. Guys like Mussina, Pedro and Pettite will stir up the debate and probably won't get in. Once they get to Santana and whoever else had great careers despite not getting to 300 they'll have to change the rules. It is written.
JasonSeahorn wrote:Pedro did have that ridiculous pitching year, he should have a better chance to get in the HOF than Pettite or Mussina IMO.
Which year are you talking about?
Pedro's a lock in my book.
Yeah I think he is getting in, jfg said Pedro, Pettite and Mussina would cause a stir but probably won't get in...I was just trying to point out Pedro was definitely better than them so should have better chances than those two. And by "year" I should say "years"
Pedro a lock? With 212 wins? Only 7 15+ win seasons? I think he'll get in but I don't know if he's first ballot like everyone thinks he'll be. He could be since there are so few pitchers from the 90's to now that will get in. The win total is still going to call for debate though.