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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby waterproof » Wed Aug 08, 2007 6:53 pm

Mariano Rivera's cutter is filthy.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby Yin_Xu88 » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:14 am

tinfoilxtouch wrote:For the record, changeup guys like Peavy and Johan shouldn't even be brought up. Filthy is having stuff people couldn't hit even if they knew it was coming. Changeups are basically deception. Both can be very effective... but tricking someone and throwing a 80mph fastball is not filthy.


no1 can hit Hamel's change. Even though he throws is about 50% of the time.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby RynMan » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:42 am

Yin_Xu88 wrote:
tinfoilxtouch wrote:For the record, changeup guys like Peavy and Johan shouldn't even be brought up. Filthy is having stuff people couldn't hit even if they knew it was coming. Changeups are basically deception. Both can be very effective... but tricking someone and throwing a 80mph fastball is not filthy.


no1 can hit Hamel's change. Even though he throws is about 50% of the time.


I was about to say the same thing. If the velocity differential is large enough between a guy's changeup and fastball, then it can be a strikeout pitch - like Hamels and Santana.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby sliders51 » Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:20 am

The Takashi Saito and Brad Lidge sliders are pretty filthy.
Eric Gagne's changeup is also filthy and was even moreso 5 years ago when he threw harder with that great changeup.

And why no love for the Tim Wakefield knuckleball? He makes a few batters look dumb eventhough everyone knows whats coming.

If I had to pick one pitcher that is filthiest NOW it has to be Oliver Perez.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby Poke » Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:53 am

I had always thought of a pitcher being "filthy" or nasty when they have outstanding movement on most or all of their pitches (and can use it effectively). There are some guys out there that have great stuff, but don't really know how to pitch yet. Once a pitcher possesses the ability to do both he becomes nasty in my opinion. I think a sick changeup combined with a speedy fastball can be considered nasty. It's all about Ks, being overpowering (not necessarily meaning MPH here), and making batters look silly.

I'll agree with most that Pedro had some incredible stuff in his prime. He's an example of a guy who's changeup could be considered nasty. Remember when he used to "pull the string" on guys and make them look absolutely ridiculous?
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby pokerplaya » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:03 pm

Pedro around 2000 blew my mind with his stuff.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby Scooter1027 » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:08 pm

I'll throw in a little homerism and say Derrick Turnbow. Of course, it has to be when Turnbow's good and not all over the place, but when on his slider is sick and mixes in beautifully with his upper 90's gas.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby Guzman24 » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:44 am

Brandon Webb's sinkerball is looking pretty damn filthy at the moment ;-D
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby houstonoilers » Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:07 pm

Wandy Rodriguez has a filthy curve.


Its filthy as can be but very unpredictable and thats Wakefields Knuckle ball.....I love watching that thing when it dances...when it doesnt - see ya!
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby 5 » Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:16 pm

Bonderman's slider....yeah yeah I know everyone hates Bonderman right now but if you've seen him throw when he's on, you know what I mean.
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