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Postby Yoda » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:36 am

Pedro in his prime is the filthest pitcher I've ever seen. RJ close second and Wood third.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby tinfoilxtouch » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:42 am

For the record, changeup guys like Peavy and Johan shouldn't even be brought up. Filthy is having stuff people couldn't hit even if they knew it was coming. Changeups are basically deception. Both can be very effective... but tricking someone and throwing a 80mph fastball is not filthy.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby SlightlyStoopid » Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:26 pm

I think tinfoil has a great point here. The point of filthy is that it is unhittable not just trickery. Something like a split-finger, the hitter knows it's a fastball but then it's in the dirt and you're swinging over the top of it. Clemens, Lowe, Haren and Harden's infamous "spluckle" all come to mind when i think of naaasty splits.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby pat189 » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:33 pm

Bedard is filthy.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby dipset » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:50 pm

some back in the second page said verlander is not filthy haha... watch his no no and look at those curves and tell me thats not filthy
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby Tavish » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:58 pm

tinfoilxtouch wrote:For the record, changeup guys like Peavy and Johan shouldn't even be brought up. Filthy is having stuff people couldn't hit even if they knew it was coming. Changeups are basically deception. Both can be very effective... but tricking someone and throwing a 80mph fastball is not filthy.

People know Johan is going to throw his change-up. They just can't hit it. All pitches are deception except for perhaps Mariano's cutter. Pitchers all have at least 2 or 3 pitches so that they can keep batters guessing and off-balance.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby tgalv » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:13 pm

tinfoilxtouch wrote:For the record, changeup guys like Peavy and Johan shouldn't even be brought up. Filthy is having stuff people couldn't hit even if they knew it was coming. Changeups are basically deception. Both can be very effective... but tricking someone and throwing a 80mph fastball is not filthy.

that's stupid


bedard is filthiest this year
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby High Heater » Mon Aug 06, 2007 6:27 pm

dipset wrote:some back in the second page said verlander is not filthy haha... watch his no no and look at those curves and tell me thats not filthy


totaly agree, his powqer combo of 1-- heat carring over in the 9th plus that hammer curve is not something anyone else in the league can do.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby Boyakasha » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:16 pm

tinfoilxtouch wrote:For the record, changeup guys like Peavy and Johan shouldn't even be brought up. Filthy is having stuff people couldn't hit even if they knew it was coming. Changeups are basically deception. Both can be very effective... but tricking someone and throwing a 80mph fastball is not filthy.


Peavy's not a changeup guy, he mainly throws a 2-seamer and a hard slider. And they're both filthy.
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Re: Filthy pitchers? And who’s the filthiest?

Postby CraigMasbruch » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:34 pm

I have to go with Zambrano. He couldn't throw a ball straight if his life depended on it. Everything moves. He has terrible control and people still can't hit him. If he ever grows up, he will win multiple cy's.
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