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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby djacks » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:49 pm

Not sure why Webb wouldn't be a lock for top 10. A groundball/strikeout pitcher who's team is getting better. He's easily top 10 for me.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby pokerplaya » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:26 pm

djacks wrote:Not sure why Webb wouldn't be a lock for top 10. A groundball/strikeout pitcher who's team is getting better. He's easily top 10 for me.


Agreed completely, Webb has to be in the top 10.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby activechamp2006 » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:53 am

Roy Oswalt is struggling, but he's as consistent as they come. He deserves to be mentioned.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby tecmobowl12 » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:10 am

I agree Haren probably won't finish this season with his current numbers. However I'll still rank him around 5 or so because of his durability/consistency, i.e., I could draft him early and not worry whether I got this year's Oswalt (personal thoughts not based on a lot of research). Webb would definitely be in my top ten. Lastly I will not pass over Bedard in the 15th round again
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby dbstrat » Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:32 am

tecmobowl12 wrote:I agree Haren probably won't finish this season with his current numbers. However I'll still rank him around 5 or so because of his durability/consistency, i.e., I could draft him early and not worry whether I got this year's Oswalt (personal thoughts not based on a lot of research). Webb would definitely be in my top ten. Lastly I will not pass over Bedard in the 15th round again


What consistency? Prior to this, his career year, he's been a consistently average to below-average fantasy pitcher.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby Guzman24 » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:38 am

dbstrat wrote:
tecmobowl12 wrote:I agree Haren probably won't finish this season with his current numbers. However I'll still rank him around 5 or so because of his durability/consistency, i.e., I could draft him early and not worry whether I got this year's Oswalt (personal thoughts not based on a lot of research). Webb would definitely be in my top ten. Lastly I will not pass over Bedard in the 15th round again


What consistency? Prior to this, his career year, he's been a consistently average to below-average fantasy pitcher.


Um.....14 wins, 170 K's, 1.20whip is average????

What are you in an 8 team league??

Haren's been a horse for me these last 3 seasons. Definitely not average :-?

It was only a matter of time before he broke out. Im glad I hung on to him as long as i did.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby 5 » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:54 am

This thread is filled with "interesting" nuggets....

CC extremely lucky?
Shields in the top 10?
Escobar should be on the list?

Wow, funny stuff guys. Keep it coming. ;-)
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby dbstrat » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:36 pm

Guzman24 wrote:
dbstrat wrote:
tecmobowl12 wrote:I agree Haren probably won't finish this season with his current numbers. However I'll still rank him around 5 or so because of his durability/consistency, i.e., I could draft him early and not worry whether I got this year's Oswalt (personal thoughts not based on a lot of research). Webb would definitely be in my top ten. Lastly I will not pass over Bedard in the 15th round again


What consistency? Prior to this, his career year, he's been a consistently average to below-average fantasy pitcher.


Um.....14 wins, 170 K's, 1.20whip is average????

What are you in an 8 team league??

Haren's been a horse for me these last 3 seasons. Definitely not average :-?

It was only a matter of time before he broke out. Im glad I hung on to him as long as i did.


I'm not questioning his talent. But the post I responded to spoke of Haren being a top 5 pitcher due to his consistency amongst other things.

I just question how a pitcher that's consistently been hovering around 4 ERA with mediocre WHIP has consistently proven himself as a top 5 pitcher. Aside from this year, which is a severe outlier looking over his career in the minors and majors, he's never been even close to a top 5 and his only consistency is that he's consistently been pretty average as a fantasy pitcher.

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Year     Team     G    GS    W    L    IP    ER    HR    BB    K    ERA    WHIP    BAA     
2003    STL    14    14    3    7    72.2    41    9    22    43    5.08    1.46    .293    
2004    STL    14    5    3    3    46.0    23    4    17    32    4.50    1.35    .265    
2005    OAK    34    34    14    12    217.0    90    26    53    163    3.73    1.22    .255    
2006    OAK    34    34    14    13    223.0    102    31    45    176    4.12    1.21    .258    
2007    OAK    23    23    13    3    155.0    42    12    40    121    2.44    1.06    .215


Aside from this year, are those the stats you want in your ace?! He's certainly made a case for being in the top 5 with this year so far, but consistency has nothing to do with it. That's all I'm saying.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby rainman23 » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:51 pm

cards05 wrote:Also, it's funny how a half season of Haren and Oswalt have completely reversed their respective values. In fact, I don't think I've seen Oswalt on a list yet. He's got quite the history to just be writing him off.


Cool. Looks like I may finally have Oswalt on my team next year. I love it when good pitchers struggle...
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby Omaha Red Sox » Sat Aug 04, 2007 11:02 am

The way I see it:

1. Santana
2. Peavy
3. Young
4. Hamela
5. CC
6. Bedard
7. Zambrano
8. Webb
9. Lincecum
10. Beckett
11. Haren
12. Verlander
13. Lackey
14. Dice-K
15. Halladay
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