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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby Legia13 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:57 pm

pat189 wrote:Bedard seriously might be the 2nd best fantasy pitcher, next to santana.


I wouldn't go as far as saying THAT. He has been extremely impressive, but he has to keep it up over a longer time span.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby Zito is God » Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:01 pm

I'll take Dice-K over Lincecum in a heartbeat.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby Guzman24 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:53 pm

Legia13 wrote:Curious to see who you guys think the first 10 SP's chosen in 2008 will be. I think it's a little tougher than the hitters. Here we go:

1. Johan
2. Peavy
3. CC
4. Young
5. Haren
6. Becks
7. Lackey
8. Zambrano
9. Hamels
10. Bedard

I felt really bad leaving Lincecum off, but there's just soo many deserving SP's. It's really tough to chose because there is a lot of guys who make a strong case to be in here. Also, I'm not going to include Chris Carpenter as I don't know how he'll come back from surgery.

Bubble: Maine, Lincecum, Webb, Felix, Halladay, Penny, Verlander, Sheets


I rank them like this:

1. Santana
2. Peavy
3. Bedard
4. Young
5. CC
6. Haren
7. Zambrano
8. Beckett
9. Hamels
10. Webb
11. Verlander
12. Lackey
13. Lincecum
14. Dice-K
15. Escobar

Bubble: Smoltz, Halladay, Maine, Sheets

I can't pick just 10 :-D
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby RyeWhiskey » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:04 pm

I think there are several issues with the current lists that need to be addressed.
1. Haren won't be in the top 5. He's regressing back to the mean which means his ERA and WHIP will rise accordingly. That'll keep him in the top 10, but not top 5.
2. CC has been extremely lucky. He'll win 20 no doubt but he doesn't have as much filthy stuff as you'd think. He doesn't make my top 5 either.
3. Hamels sure does. This guy is just dirty. I'd take him over the above two in a second.

So here's the list:
1. Santana
2. Peavy
3. Young
4. Hamels
5. Bedard
6. CC
7. Zambrano
8. Haren
9. Beckett
10. Shields (yeah I said it, you can't argue with a 6:1 K:BB ratio, eww....)

Notworthy: Liriano. At the end of the 2008 season he'll be on this list.

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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby Yoda » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:06 pm

I can't believe people already put Bedard as #2 behind Santana. He has pitched very well and above expectations but seriously, would you even have had him top 10 two months ago? It's so funny how everyone is falling all over him now. :-D
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby byfrcp » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:10 pm

Harden anybody???
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby Legia13 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:12 pm

Yoda wrote:I can't believe people already put Bedard as #2 behind Santana. He has pitched very well and above expectations but seriously, would you even have had him top 10 two months ago? It's so funny how everyone is falling all over him now. :-D


Agreed - I would take all 3: CC, Haren, and Zambrano over Bedard. Unless he goes the rest of the way undefeated and finishes with 280 + k's, I'm not putting him anywhere near Johan.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby Yoda » Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:15 pm

AngryMonkey wrote:2. CC has been extremely lucky. He'll win 20 no doubt but he doesn't have as much filthy stuff as you'd think. He doesn't make my top 5 either.


Please explain how CC has been extremely lucky. If anything, he has been the exact opposite with a BABIP well above the MLB mean. Also, he doesn't have filthy stuff? How many 6'7" 300 lb lefties do you know can throw in the upper 90s with a nasty change and curve? :-°
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby superslugger616 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:34 pm

Aaron Harang has been a top 10 pitcher the past 2 years in my league. He should at least be an honerable mention.
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Re: Top Ten SP for 2008

Postby cards05 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:37 pm

byfrcp wrote:Harden anybody???


Not even close. Way too unreliable to be near the top ten. I think Young and Haren are generally too high on these lists. I don't think Maine should be anywhere near the top ten, even in a keeper. If we're talking re-draft, Smoltz needs more credit. I'd put Bonderman toward the bottom or in the honorable mention category.

Also, it's funny how a half season of Haren and Oswalt have completely reversed their respective values. In fact, I don't think I've seen Oswalt on a list yet. He's got quite the history to just be writing him off.
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