* Harold Baines * Bert Blyleven * Dave Concepción * Andre Dawson * Rich "Goose" Gossage * Tommy John * Don Mattingly * Mark McGwire * Jack Morris * Dale Murphy * Dave Parker * Jim Rice * Lee Smith * Alan Trammell I would like to see Rice, Murphy and Dawson get in.
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abrunn11 wrote:Brady Anderson, Andy Benes, Delino DeShields, Shawon Dunston, Chuck Finley, Travis Fryman, David Justice, Chuck Knoblauch, Mike Morgan, Robb Nen, Tim Raines, Greg Swindell, Randy Velarde, Mark Wohlers.
buffalobillsrul2002 wrote:Raines has an argument, but overall I don't see it. At LF, which is a prime hitting position, his numbers just aren't there to warrant HOF. For around 7 years he was one of the better players in the game, but there was never really an argument that he was the best, and 7 great years doesn't get you into the Hall in my book.
I don't think Raines is as easy a choice as Pearlman says, but he deserves a lot closer consideration than most people give him. Gwynn was also a corner OF with little power, and no one questions his choice. Despite the lack of power, Raines OPS+ over his career was 23 percent higher than the average player similar to many of the other high OBP/speed guys that are worthy of the Hall. OPS+, in fact, undervalues these players, since OBP is much more important than slugging to real baseball value. In addition, Raines was a GREAT base stealer 85% success is incredible for a lifetime percentage. He also had a ton of doubles and triples, which doesn't excite people as much as HRs, but if you look you will see that his slugging percentage was actually 7% above league average during his play.
Raines probably won't get in, because people will look at BA and HRs, rather than other important numbers. But, he should get a lot closer look.
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GotowarMissAgnes wrote:Raines probably won't get in, because people will look at BA and HRs, rather than other important numbers. But, he should get a lot closer look.
I agree. I always liked Raines and think it would be neat if he got in, but I think he'll get overshadowed by other OFs. David Justice was another guy that I liked watching when he played, but I don't think he'll have the numbers to back it up. If Andre Dawson has some problems getting in, Raines and Justice are done.
by buffalobillsrul2002 » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:17 am
Raines might be a better candidate than what I was giving him credit for. If you add in his SB, he ends up being a very borderline guy. How was he in the field? I never saw him play in the field..... I see no GG, but I also know that Gold Gloves have a lot to do with reputation...