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Biggio: HOF?

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:52 pm

First off, I know a lot of people have already discussed this in the Alomar thread. The idea of this thread is to try and avoid hijacking of the Alomar thread, and place Biggio discussion in here instead.

Secondly, if there is already a thread on this, I apologize. I did a quick search and couldn't find one...

Anyways, does Biggio deserve to be in the HOF?

Black Ink: Batting - 17 (Average HOFer ≈ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 104 (Average HOFer ≈ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 55.9 (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 172.0 (Likely HOFer > 100)

Notable Career Stats:
Career .282 BA (might go down a couple points yet in the last two months)
414 SB
10,000+ AB
3,000+ H (he'll end up between 3050 and 3100)
1400 BB + HBP (comically, he has almost 1/4 as many HBP as BB, so HBP is somewhat important in discussing career achievements)
Career OBP .365
661 2B
55 3B
1827 R (he should get to at least 1850)
5-time Silver Slugger
7-time All-Star
4 Gold Gloves at 2B (in 4 consecutive years)

Personally, I don't think he's in. He had a great peak from 1993-1998. He had pretty good years in the early 90s, and up until around 2001, but he's simply hung around for the past 6 years to accrue the 3000 hits. He does need to be given credit for being willing to switch from C to 2B to OF throughout his career, but I still don't think he deserves to get in. Also, he has not played well in the postseason. I think he's borderline, but just out...
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Re: Biggio: HOF?

Postby acsguitar » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:31 pm

He's like the ultimate utility man I think he goes in
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Re: Biggio: HOF?

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:40 pm

Absolutly. Not even a question in my mind.
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Re: Biggio: HOF?

Postby Bloody Sox » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:41 pm

Take all those stats you just listed, and then multiply them by whatever factor you need to in order to consider that he played 85% of his career games as a 2B or Catcher. If you compare his stats to other 2B (and catchers)in the HOF, he without question deserves to be in.
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Re: Biggio: HOF?

Postby Snakes Gould » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:45 pm

there already was a biggio hof thread somewhere, but he automatically gets in because of the 3000 hits.
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Re: Biggio: HOF?

Postby bigh0rt » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:09 pm

Snakes Gould wrote:there already was a biggio hof thread somewhere, but he automatically gets in because of the 3000 hits.

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Re: Biggio: HOF?

Postby River Rat » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:16 pm

For an old timer who is about to retire, he just hit another solo shot! He is pretty darn hot with the stick right now...

Good to see him probably finishing up his career on a semi-high note!

He might be a lock for the HOF. 3 more beanies until he breaks the all time record of HBP!
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Re: Biggio: HOF?

Postby raiders_umpire » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:25 pm

Biggio is absolutely a first ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.
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Re: Biggio: HOF?

Postby dissent » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:45 pm

raiders_umpire wrote:Biggio is absolutely a first ballot Hall of Famer in my mind.

Agreed.

When compared to other 2B already in the Hall, he is unquestionably a hall-of-famer. In fact, his career numbers already put him around the top-5 second basemen of all time. He compares pretty well to Rod Carew, albeit with more power and a lower average. .822 vs. .799 OPS, and Biggio's numbers are slightly skewed because of the weak numbers in his early years playing catcher.

I think he flies under the radar because he played in an era with a lot of power hitters, but his career numbers are truly impressive.
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Re: Biggio: HOF?

Postby Oatsdad » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:00 pm

Definitely HOF worthy career. Maybe not 1st ballot, but eventually...
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