buffalobillsrul2002 wrote:I think Alomar's in, althoguh I'm not sure he's the best 2B of his time. I'd take him over Kent, because of the glove(Alomar's 474 SB cancel out Kent's advantage in slugging).. This is why I don't think Biggio deserves to get in (even though he will). He's definitely behind Kent and Alomar. I think he's closer to the good players (like Durham, Knoblauch, and Vidro) than he is to Alomar or Kent...
Alomar Kent
Biggio
Durham Knoblauch Vidro
What about his 100+ CS? His net SBs are only like 350, or like 20 a year. It is not reasonable to say that this equates to Kent's power.
No debate in my eyes ... he should get in. The shortened career (falling apart mid-30's, and missing out on what seemed an easy 3000 hits) and spitting incident may cost him 1st ballot. But from the late 80's to early 00's he put up good-to-great seasons like clockwork. No MVPs but top 6 4 times. A 5-tool hitter, gold-glove defense at a challenging position, WS rings. I think the HOF Monitor has him ranked appropriately.
I'm biased. I still haven't forgiven him for the spitting. I was watching that game and couldn't believe he wasn't kicked out of baseball. It was as powerful an incident as Albert Belle with the fan or Pete Rose betting on baseball.
I bet he'll get in, but I hope he has to wait a couple years. If I were voting I wouldn't vote for him for at least 2 years, maybe longer.
hot4tx wrote:I'm biased. I still haven't forgiven him for the spitting. I was watching that game and couldn't believe he wasn't kicked out of baseball. It was as powerful an incident as Albert Belle with the fan or Pete Rose betting on baseball.
I think spitting on someone--particularly in their face--is about as low and despicable an act as someone can do, but I don't think it really compares to Albert Belle's actions towards spectators or Rose's betting for a couple reasons. Most importantly, it doesn't affect the overall integrity of the game like having a manager gambling on games that his team is playing in. It affects the integrity of only one person. And because it involved a player and an umpire--both MLB representatives--and it happened on the field, fans have no reason to fear for their own safety because of it. I don't think that his punishment was nearly enough for it, though.
Looking at his numbers and the other 2B during his time...the Spitter gets in. He's also someone that I think could have used 'riods because he really developed some power. But you're only gulity if you get caught. So, he gets my vote.
hot4tx wrote:I'm biased. I still haven't forgiven him for the spitting. I was watching that game and couldn't believe he wasn't kicked out of baseball. It was as powerful an incident as Albert Belle with the fan or Pete Rose betting on baseball.
I think spitting on someone--particularly in their face--is about as low and despicable an act as someone can do, but I don't think it really compares to Albert Belle's actions towards spectators or Rose's betting for a couple reasons. Most importantly, it doesn't affect the overall integrity of the game like having a manager gambling on games that his team is playing in. It affects the integrity of only one person. And because it involved a player and an umpire--both MLB representatives--and it happened on the field, fans have no reason to fear for their own safety because of it. I don't think that his punishment was nearly enough for it, though.
exactly. couldnt have said it better myself. alomar easily gets in. biggio gets in too. biggio has a MUCH better shot than jeff kent just because of 3000 hits if not alot of other things.
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by silverZ » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:40 pm 
Yup.
