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Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby Dice » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:22 pm

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette is reporting the Pirates and Red Sox have discussed a deal that would send Salomon Torres to Boston for Wily Mo Pena.

The move makes sense for both teams. Torres is unhappy with management in Pittsburgh and would add another arm to one of the best bullpens in the American League, while Pena would get a fresh-start and also a chance to see increased playing time.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/player ... LB&id=1878

Edit: I'll put a question mark in the title, since it's not reality as of now. Certainly the Sox are shopping Wily Mo, who has no role on the team.
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Re: Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby Chicago RedSox » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:41 pm

I like this trade. I wonder if the sox will be able to get it done.
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Re: Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:19 pm

As a Sox fan I'm not so sure. Where does Torres fit into this bullpen? We already have Papelbon, Okajima, Delcarmen, Lopez (who we'll keep as a LH specialist), Timlin, and Snyder (long man), and now Tavarez, with Donnelly coming back soon. I guess Torres might be somehwere in the Timlin/Donnelly/Delcarmen area pitching the 5th/6th inning every so often? As a Sox fan, I'd rather see us pick up a solid veteran bench player who is a good defensive OF and contact hitter (to contrast Hinske, who can't do much besides hit for power)
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Re: Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby quitesanemax » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:34 pm

STATS wrote:Jul 18 Donnelly was examined in California on Tuesday by Dr. Lewis Yocum, who agreed with the previous diagnosis of a strained right forearm. Donnelly was to return to Boston and resume strengthening exercises. He was scratched from a rehab start because of soreness in the forearm on Friday.
Advice: Donnelly hasn't pitched since June 10 because of a forearm strain. He was 2-1 with a 3.05 ERA in 27 relief appearances before the injury.


Maybe they know something we don't know about Donnelly. I think Timlin is a bit of a questionmark, because of his age. I think they need one more dependable pitcher in the bullpen.

Judging by the rumors I have heard lately, I think the Red Sox feel the same way. I've heard quite a few rumors of different RPs they have been interested in. The only thing is that I'm not so sure that Torres is that dependable RP that they need. He hasn't looked all that great since he has gotten back, plus he'd be moving from the NL to the AL East... I'd rather see them go after Benoit, or Soria... players who have some experience against AL teams.

I'm intrigued by the idea of them being able to fill Pena's spot with Jacoby Ellsbury... although, actually, I'm not sure they'd bother calling the kid up unless they had a full time spot for him.
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Re: Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby mak1277 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:53 pm

I like this trade for the Pirates too. It's possible Pena turns out to be a big fat zero, but at least he has some projectable talent. I'd much rather them take a chance like this than trade away Torres for some junk Triple-A pitcher or a journeyman utility infielder.
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Re: Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby pangbones » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:48 pm

I'm not sure why the Sox would do this trade either. Aside from being an experienced arm in the pen, what more does Torres offer? I don't think he's very good at all. The Pirates should be all over this deal. Pena has enomous power. Maybe Tracy could tap into that potential.
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Re: Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby raek » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:42 pm

Pena's biggest problems have been his lack of playing time and attitude. If he can find a starting role in Pittsburgh, I would see him thriving. The guy has tons of talent and a head full of mush, lets hope he gets it straight. Besides, isnt Torres coming up on his 153rd birthday soon?
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Re: Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby quitesanemax » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:45 pm

raek wrote:Pena's biggest problems have been his lack of playing time and attitude. If he can find a starting role in Pittsburgh, I would see him thriving. The guy has tons of talent and a head full of mush, lets hope he gets it straight. Besides, isnt Torres coming up on his 153rd birthday soon?


This could very well be true. The one time Pena thrived with the Red Sox was last year when Coco Crisp and Trot Nixon were down, and he was playing CF full time. I don't like that trade, but I think it would be good for both the Red Sox and whoever they trade him to, as well as Pena, if he did get traded. The Red Sox just don't have a place for him in the roster as a regular.
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Re: Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby tgalv » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:39 pm

i don't really like the trade. is torres any better than manny delcarmen? timlin? i don't know if you're improving that much, if at all. the NL is a joke compared to the AL.
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Re: Torres for Wily Mo Pena?

Postby redstorm41 » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:35 am

The reason why Torres failed to keep on the closer's role for Pittsburgh was because of his inconsistency. If the Red Sox want a good consistent reliever, Torres is not the way to go. What has surprised me is that if Boston wanted to go for a quality reliever that the name Akinori Otsuka's name hasn't popped up. I've heard it for Colorado and Milwaukee but not for Boston. He is the most consistent reliever on the market that can fit in right away for the Sox. It is not a bad market for relievers, so they should not have to settle for an aging mediocre reliever.

The winner in the deal would of course be the Pirates. Pena has a ton of power and can take advantage of playing in PNC Park. The sky is the ceiling for him and can do a lot of damage in the middle of a lackluster Pittsburgh offense. The definite plus is that he can help ease the burden off of Jason Bay. With Pena protecting him in the lineup, Bay's numbers can only improve. In a fantasy league, you'll see a good bit of activity to pick him up.

Again, only Pittsburgh can benefit from this deal. They could use it.
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