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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby Big Cat » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:26 am

I just traded him for Jimmy Rollins, if that gives anyone any ideas.
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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby Laean » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:54 pm

Padsin05 wrote:
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Padsin05 wrote:In his last 13 starts since May 1, he has given up 3 runs 1 time!! not one other start has he given up more then 2.

Guy is legit, it takes a pitcher that tall longer to develop control. I have been to 2 of his starts this year, against the dogs he won 1-0 and the 1-0 philly game. The way hes throwing right now he could be playing in williamsport and still have a 2 ERA. The Dobbs at bat was sick, I think when you factor in a 90 mph fast ball with a 10 ft stride/reach, throwing on a downward plane at approx 12ft to 2-3 ft that angle is just something noone has seen. He throws straight over the top, his ball moves down 10 ft from his release point, and hes essentially throwing from 55ft. He wont digress, expect 5 yrs of a 2 era, with his k's climbing

those who say hes a flyball pitcher, while that is true, hes not a flyball pitcher who gives up deep flyouts, lots of popups and not solid contact.


ahaha, c'mon! and i'm a padres fan.


cmon what? The guy is really learning the game now he spent alot of time playing hoops. Factor in his trajectories, ballpark factor and I dont see how he cant be a 2.5 era guy year in and year out. Its not about speed, its about control, location and picking up the ball. He has a great pitching coach in Balsey, and good mentors in Maddux and Wells, along with a friendly competition to be the Ace with Jake


first, you said 2 era, not 2.5. even that i'd disagree with anyway. 3 era possible maaaaaaybe. also, i never said he can't do it because he doesn't have speed, or that control, locating, and picking up the ball don't matter. it's not about that.

second, basically if you're saying he's going to get 2.5 era for the next 5 years (you originally said 2 era, but whatever), you're saying he's going to accomplish something that none of the following pitchers have done in their hall of fame careers: roger clemens, john smoltz, and johan santana (early, but still).
the following future hall of famer pitchers have done it: greg maddux, pedro martinez, randy johnson.

so you're telling me chris young will be a better pitcher than roger clemens, john smoltz, and maybe johan santana, and on par with greg maddux, pedro martinez, and randy johnson? after seeing him do it for 2/3 of a season this year? don't say it's upon observing him from years before, because there was no indication that he'd suddenly have a season he's having now.

are you really saying he's an early 1st round pick for the next 5 years?

if so, good luck. as a padres fan, i hope you're right, but i think you're going to be in for some major disappointment.
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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby chipper » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:12 pm

While he's no first round pick (no pitcher really is), I'd say he's up there with the Webb, Peavy's, etc right now. In fact I'd rather have him over those guys at least right now.

I just traded Crawford for him.
In my Yahoo total points league, Carl Crawford, while great and bound to break out in the second half, was not having a great season. Guys like Markakis are out pointing him at the moment, so I had the replacements to move him for one of the hotter pitchers out there right now.

I'd say once you factor in the division he pitches against, and the park he plays in, with the bullpen to finish his wins, he's up there in the top 5 pitchers right now.
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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby dbstrat » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:40 pm

Putting Young anywhere near Peavy right now is absolutely insane. X-I
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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby chipper » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:26 pm

dbstrat wrote:Putting Young anywhere near Peavy right now is absolutely insane. X-I


How's that?


Peavy 9-5; 2.47 era, 136 K, 38 walks, 1.11 whip

Jul 22 PHI L 0-9 L 6.0 9 4 4 1 2 6
Jul 17 NYM L 0-7 L 6.0 6 3 3 0 2 5
Jul 5 FLA L 2-3 L 7.0 5 3 3 1 3 6
Jun 30 @ LAD W 3-1 - 7.0 5 1 1 1 1 6
Jun 24 BOS L 2-4 L 5.0 9 3 3 0 1 3
Jun 19 BAL W 12-6 W 6.0 6 3 3 0 2 7
Jun 13 @ TAM W 9-0 W 7.0 2 0 0 0 3 8
Jun 7 LAD W 6-5 - 6.2 7 4 4 0 3 3 7
Jun 1 @ WAS L 3-4 - 7.0 10 3 3 0 1 7


Young 9-3; 1.85 era, 113 K, 39 walks, 1.00 whip

Jul 19 PHI W 1-0 W 7.0 2 0 0 0 3 6
Jul 14 @ ARI L 4-5 - 6.0 2 1 1 1 0 8
Jul 4 FLA W 1-0 - 7.0 5 0 0 0 0 9
Jun 29 @ LAD W 7-6 W 6.0 7 2 2 0 1 9
Jun 23 BOS W 6-1 W 7.0 1 0 0 0 2 11
Jun 16 @ CHC W 1-0 - 3.0 0 0 0 0 2
Jun 10 SEA L 3-4 - 6.2 7 3 3 0 1 3
Jun 5 LAD W 1-0 - 7.0 3 0 0 0 4 5
May 30 @ PIT W 9-0 W 7.0 4 0 0 0 1 7
May 24 CHC L 1-3 - 7.0 3 1 1 0 2 10



I mean, you like Peavy better ok, but to say putting him "anywhere close" is "insane".....he's have the better year, and has been the far superior pitcher over the last month, month and a half.

How can you say they are nowhere close to eachother?
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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby spacehamster01 » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:15 pm

And minus the strikeouts last year, Young was all around better...
My friend and I had a simple $5 bet, I said Young would win the NL Cy, and he said Peavy...
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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby Laean » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:19 pm

spacehamster01 wrote:And minus the strikeouts last year, Young was all around better...


yeah but that doesn't prove anything since peavy was pitching with a bad shoulder, unless you're trying to prove that young is better than peavy when peavy is pitching all year with a bad shoulder ....
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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby chipper » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:12 pm

Laean wrote:yeah but that doesn't prove anything since peavy was pitching with a bad shoulder, unless you're trying to prove that young is better than peavy when peavy is pitching all year with a bad shoulder ....



Fair enough.

But now we're talking last year and this year.....at what point is it ok to say that Young just may now be better? It's a fine line I guess. To me it looks like the gigantic Young is coming into his own, and Peavy, while still fantastic, has shown some signs of wearing down. Now Peavy could bounce back and have a way better second half than Young, but the opposite could also happen. Which is why I though saying that they weren't even comparable, was way off the mark.
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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby Laean » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:11 pm

chipper wrote:
Laean wrote:yeah but that doesn't prove anything since peavy was pitching with a bad shoulder, unless you're trying to prove that young is better than peavy when peavy is pitching all year with a bad shoulder ....



Fair enough.

But now we're talking last year and this year.....at what point is it ok to say that Young just may now be better? It's a fine line I guess. To me it looks like the gigantic Young is coming into his own, and Peavy, while still fantastic, has shown some signs of wearing down. Now Peavy could bounce back and have a way better second half than Young, but the opposite could also happen. Which is why I though saying that they weren't even comparable, was way off the mark.


yeah i had no issue with you saying they are comparable for this year.

this year, it's pretty given that chris young will finish with a 2.50-3.00 era since his first half was so good. but as for your question of at what point is it ok to say that young is just better than peavy ... personally, for me to even consider asking that question to myself it'll take another season of 2.50-3.00 era after this one with peavy doing notably worse.
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Re: Geez, what's Chris Young's (SDP) value?

Postby dbstrat » Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:44 pm

chipper wrote:
dbstrat wrote:Putting Young anywhere near Peavy right now is absolutely insane. X-I


How's that?


Peavy 9-5; 2.47 era, 136 K, 38 walks, 1.11 whip

Jul 22 PHI L 0-9 L 6.0 9 4 4 1 2 6
Jul 17 NYM L 0-7 L 6.0 6 3 3 0 2 5
Jul 5 FLA L 2-3 L 7.0 5 3 3 1 3 6
Jun 30 @ LAD W 3-1 - 7.0 5 1 1 1 1 6
Jun 24 BOS L 2-4 L 5.0 9 3 3 0 1 3
Jun 19 BAL W 12-6 W 6.0 6 3 3 0 2 7
Jun 13 @ TAM W 9-0 W 7.0 2 0 0 0 3 8
Jun 7 LAD W 6-5 - 6.2 7 4 4 0 3 3 7
Jun 1 @ WAS L 3-4 - 7.0 10 3 3 0 1 7


Young 9-3; 1.85 era, 113 K, 39 walks, 1.00 whip

Jul 19 PHI W 1-0 W 7.0 2 0 0 0 3 6
Jul 14 @ ARI L 4-5 - 6.0 2 1 1 1 0 8
Jul 4 FLA W 1-0 - 7.0 5 0 0 0 0 9
Jun 29 @ LAD W 7-6 W 6.0 7 2 2 0 1 9
Jun 23 BOS W 6-1 W 7.0 1 0 0 0 2 11
Jun 16 @ CHC W 1-0 - 3.0 0 0 0 0 2
Jun 10 SEA L 3-4 - 6.2 7 3 3 0 1 3
Jun 5 LAD W 1-0 - 7.0 3 0 0 0 4 5
May 30 @ PIT W 9-0 W 7.0 4 0 0 0 1 7
May 24 CHC L 1-3 - 7.0 3 1 1 0 2 10



I mean, you like Peavy better ok, but to say putting him "anywhere close" is "insane".....he's have the better year, and has been the far superior pitcher over the last month, month and a half.

How can you say they are nowhere close to eachother?


I'm not going to try to convince somebody who obviously doesn't want to listen on why someone with about 1 year of top notch pitching is not at the same level as someone who has proven it over several seasons. Again...a TON of pitchers have had stellar season's only to go on to stink it up or become average.

That's ok man, you keep thinking that Young is the 2nd best pitcher in all of baseball based on maybe a year of success. ;-D Don't forget to draft him in the 2nd round next year ;-D Can I be in your league...please? ;-D ;-D ;-D :-D
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