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Postby DigsysDinner » Sat Feb 07, 2004 10:14 pm

First time poster, recent lurker.

I was hoping to get some thoughts on a scoring system for my head-to-head league. Last year was my first year playing H2H and my league is still trying to work out the kinks. Our scoring system from last year was:

Batting Category Point Value
Single 1 point
Double 2 points
Triple 3 points
Home Run 4 points
RBI 1 point
Run 1 point
Base on Balls 1 point
Stolen Base 2 points
Pitching Category Point Value
Win 10 points
Save 10 points
Complete Game 5 points
Strikeout 1 point
Base on Balls -0.5 points
Inning Pitched 2 points
Hits Allowed -0.5 points
Earned Runs -1 point

The main points of contention in our scoring right now are limiting games/innings of pitchers, limiting drop/adds, adding losses and blown saves to the pitching points.

Any thoughts or suggestions?
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Postby tddf30 » Sat Feb 07, 2004 10:26 pm

I would take the svs down to 1 point, or 2 because it is easier to get a save than a win, and none of the pitchers can get 60 saves, that makes Gagne, the best player in ur league
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Postby TheRock » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:22 pm

tddf30 wrote:I would take the svs down to 1 point, or 2 because it is easier to get a save than a win, and none of the pitchers can get 60 saves, that makes Gagne, the best player in ur league


Keep in mind pitchers pick up points from innings pitched, so starters should see 12-18 points per start there.

What kind of problems are you trying to address with scoring changes? Is this the typical H2H points setup? Change lineups weekly or daily? Your scoring looks pretty typical, but there are definitely limitations to what you can do with the H2H points setup. Baseball just doesn't lend itself to weekly H2H matchups in some cases.
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Postby trevisc » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:24 pm

oh man.. I just don't like point leagues...

sorry..i'll defer my comments on this one
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Postby Stupid » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:41 pm

trevisc wrote:oh man.. I just don't like point leagues...

sorry..i'll defer my comments on this one


Not to be rude b/c I respect your opinion and presence here at the cafe but you may be out of line here.
Did your momma ever say 'if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all'?

Are you giving him an answer to the question he/she is asking?
or are you just posting pointless replies to 'build up' your total posts for no other reason?

Did this person post a statement and said discuss and let me know your comments/view points/opinions.........
No, not really. It was a question and you came no where near answering it, which may make this your most worthless and pointless post I have EVER read.


Digs don't let guys like this make you feel bad for playing in a league he has had a bad experience with. In may opinion you should.....
Make losses -5
blown saves -3
and only allow once a week transactions to avoid unlimited add/drops and this might help with your innings pitched issue.
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Postby trevisc » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:45 pm

Stupid wrote:
trevisc wrote:oh man.. I just don't like point leagues...

sorry..i'll defer my comments on this one


Not to be rude b/c I respect your opinion and presence here at the cafe but you may be out of line here.
Did your momma ever say 'if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all'?

Are you giving him an answer to the question he/she is asking?
or are you just posting pointless replies to 'build up' your total posts for no other reason?

Did this person post a statement and said discuss and let me know your comments/view points/opinions.........
No, not really. It was a question and you came no where near answering it, which may make this your most worthless and pointless post I have EVER read.


Digs don't let guys like this make you feel bad for playing in a league he has had a bad experience with. In may opinion you should.....
Make losses -5
blown saves -3
and only allow once a week transactions to avoid unlimited add/drops and this might help with your innings pitched issue.


look here Mr. "Anonymous" poster..

He said:

was hoping to get some thoughts on a scoring system for my head-to-head league


i gave him my thoughts.

Still a free country and I wanted to tell him what I was thinking when I saw his point system.

If you don't like it tough
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Postby trevisc » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:49 pm

DigsyDiner..

No disrespect man. I think you will have fun in your league and I appreciate that you are playing it differently. I hope I didn't come off as a turd ball. Sometimes I just speak my mind!

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Postby Bukoski77 » Sun Feb 08, 2004 12:37 am

I love a man who is willing to set up a really complicated H-H scoreing system.

Maybe showing you mine can help you adjust or tweak scoreing to get it more to your likeing in regards to how you want positions to be influenced, as mine is pretty advanced as well.

In starting this let me say that I think roto is the purest form of fantasy baseball however I think H-H is a lot more fun. I want the scoreing to reflect a 50-50 split between the overall importance of pitching and hitting as well in H-H, therefore stud pitchers carry alot more individual importance than hitters.

We start 10 hitters, 1 each position and a DH. 8 pitchers, 5 SP and 3 RP.

Here goes the scoreing format.

Scoring for Batting Categories
2B - Doubles 2 points
3B - Triples 3 points
BB - Walks (Batters) 1 point
CS - Caught Stealing -1 point
CYC - Hitting for the Cycle 12 points
GSHR - Grand Slam Home Runs 3 points
H - Hits 1 point
HR - Home Runs 4 points
KO - Strikeouts (Batter) -.5 points
R - Runs 1 point
RBI - Runs Batted In 1 point
SB - Stolen Bases 2.5 points
SF - Sacrifice Flies .5 points
SH - Sacrifice Hits .5 points

Special Scoring for Starting Pitchers
BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -1 point
CG - Complete Games 3 points
ER - Earned Runs -1 point
HA - Hits Allowed -1 point
INN - Innings 3 points
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point
L - Losses -5 points
NH - No-Hitters 15 points
PG - Perfect Games 20 points
QS - Quality Starts 7 points
SO - Shutouts 10 points
W - Wins 10 points

Special Scoring for Relief Pitchers
BBI - Walks Issued (Pitchers) -1 point
BS - Blown Saves -4 points
CG - Complete Games -5 points
ER - Earned Runs -1 point
GS - Games Started (Pitcher) -10 points
HA - Hits Allowed -.5 points
HD - Holds 5 points
INN - Innings 2 points
IRS - Inherited Runners Scored -1 point
K - Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point
RL - Relief Losses -4 points
RW - Relief Wins 10 points
S - Saves 13 points


It took us 3 years of tweaking to get it to that format before last year.

Last year, compiled only off players on our active rosters, if they were rideing pine their stats didnt count. All teams combined to score -

Offensively all combined to score 54,235.00 points, an average of 4,519.58 per team.

Pithching wise all teams combined to score 51, 504.9 points, an average of 4,292.75 points per team.


There was less than 1% difference between the points pitchers scored as oppossed to hitters

To further break it down a few individual numbers

Top 3 SP
R Halladay 1014 points
M Prior 919 points
E loaiza 918 points

Top 3 RP
E Gagne 975 points
K Foulke 813 points
B Wagner 765 points

Top 3 Hitters
A Pujos 810 points
G Sheffield 790.5 points
T. Helton 780.5 points


Use all that for what it worth and good luck to your league. I should also point out that although the top hitters dont out score the top pitchers, the hitters ranking 20-40th school the pitchers ranking 20-40th, continueing all the way down the rankings.
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