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Postby Mercer Boy » Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:55 am

JoeSoCal wrote:There is no way Varitek should be rated ahead of Kendall in roto 5 x 5. For a start with Kendall you are guaranteed close to 600 AB's which for a catcher is very high and especially valuable when you take his career average into account. Varitek will bat 150 less times a season and hits from the 9 hole most of the time which has to affect his overall numbers. Sure the 20 odd homers are nice but that .265 avearge is a major handicap.


You are right about the batting order point. Kendall is probably going to bat 2nd or 3rd (probably 3rd), and if the leadoff men can get on base, he has a chance at an RBI right off the bat. Plus, being high in the order and the fact that he rarely sits out a game, he will surely get a bunch more plate appearances.
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Postby Warthog » Sat Feb 07, 2004 7:58 am

Mark my word that Victor Martinez will be a top 10 catcher this season. He's been overlooked after 200 ab's last year in which he hit .290? I know, the guy wasn't cranking homers but he hit .338 with 22 bombs in aaa before his call-up. He also is the best shape of his career and will play 1st base on his days off behind the plate!

.290/ 20HR/77 RBI/72 R

Mark it down!
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Postby prodpaul » Sat Feb 07, 2004 8:59 am

My top 5 are:

Posada

I-rod

Javy

Piazza

and

Damien Miller.........

Just kidding

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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:15 am

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JoeSoCal wrote:Kendall is too high. So, he hits for average...big deal.

I didnt think the Pirates could get any worse...but a high school squad could compete with them.

JK looks to be on the decline as far as SBs are concern. His 8 SBs last year was a fall off, but he raised his average last year. If you need SBs...then I can see a case to be made.

But Ill take Varitek and his one or two steals and lower BA any day of the week...cuz i know i am getting about 20 more homers and a lot more RBIs.


There is no way Varitek should be rated ahead of Kendall in roto 5 x 5. For a start with Kendall you are guaranteed close to 600 AB's which for a catcher is very high and especially valuable when you take his career average into account. Varitek will bat 150 less times a season and hits from the 9 hole most of the time which has to affect his overall numbers. Sure the 20 odd homers are nice but that .265 avearge is a major handicap.

Varitek no better than 10th in my opinion. Same level as Ra Hernandez


While batting 9th means fewer ABs (and Varitek also sits every fifth game when Wakefield pitches), he is batting 9th on the Red Sox, which means he's on a better team and is followed by the top of the order.

Still, last year was the only year Varitek out-homered Kendall by 20 and had close to 30 more RBIs. In their average season, it's usually more like 5-10 more homers and 10-15 more RBIs for Varitek. And even with the team defense, Kendall scored 22 more runs, offsetting the RBI difference. Kendall's SB advantage is likely to disappear (onlt successful on 8 out of 15 last year; doubtful he'll continue to run much if that continues).

So you basically get Kendall with big advantages in BA and R, and a narrow one in SBs. Varitek with modest advantages in RBIs and HRs.

Seems pretty clear.
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Postby Erboes » Sat Feb 07, 2004 9:24 am

Man, I just took a look at Rotoguys catcher rankings and you guys would freak. After the 2b rankings reaction I think I'll take a pass on posting them.
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Postby baseball genius » Sat Feb 07, 2004 11:12 am

I like the list except for Estrada. He shouldn't even be near the top.
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Postby TownDrunk » Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:09 pm

And the biggest sleeper this season for catchers:

Brian Schneider ;-D
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Postby GoldenGlove31 » Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:33 pm

I see LoDuca is still living off his 2001 numbers.

Lots of late rd talent to be had after the top teir are gone. More young hitting Cs with breakout potential than tthere has been in the past.
My strategy will be to grab the best catcher that fell too far in the draft.


I have an article that I just read at Yahoo about Lo Duca. It says that he has gained 25 pounds of muscle. Even though his last couple of seasons has been pretty bad, I expect this guy to bounce back..

Here is the article
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=fanball-dodgersloducagetspum&prov=fanball&type=lgns
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Postby grammysboy » Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:39 pm

trevisc wrote:my brain is too shallow for 15. Here is my top 5


Jorge Posada Yankee..25 homers 90 rbis
Javy Lopez New park, new contract, 30+ homers
Ivan Rodriguez Still got the goods.
Mike Piazza will play some 1b and prolong his career
Jason Varitek Boston stud who gets a little better every year


What a hoot! Trev, I've seen you get so deep into some topics, I don't think the Library of Congress could catalog all the stuff you know.

You're right though, once you get past the big four (Pudge, Javy, Posada, and Piaaza) there is a big drop in offensive production. I'm not sold on Javy for a repeat this year.
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Postby mikcou » Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:59 pm

trevisc wrote:my brain is too shallow for 15. Here is my top 5


Jorge Posada Yankee..25 homers 90 rbis
Javy Lopez New park, new contract, 30+ homers
Ivan Rodriguez Still got the goods.
Mike Piazza will play some 1b and prolong his career
Jason Varitek Boston stud who gets a little better every year


I would have to agree with these rankings ;-D
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