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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby PlayingWithFire » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:24 pm

4Pack wrote:
Tavish wrote:
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I see Bonds has another day off! Must be tough to get up early from those night games. Yeah nice team player he is.


Please tell me you are just joking. If not that, then you might want to dig a little deeper in to some facts.


Yeah I am joking! I would love to have a teamate that plays when he wants to play ala Randy Moss.


Or Roger Clemens, I'd take him
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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby 4Pack » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:28 pm

Naw....Roger does not count.
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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby noseeum » Wed Jul 04, 2007 2:32 pm

Those supporting Williams are not taking into account one major factor, which is park effect. Bonds has made his home in some of the worst offensive ballparks for his entire career while Williams made his home in one of the best.

I'd take Bonds any day. If you add in speed and defense, Bonds beats him out by a wide stretch.

I still love Teddy Ballgame though.
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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby thedude » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:55 pm

noseeum wrote:Those supporting Williams are not taking into account one major factor, which is park effect. Bonds has made his home in some of the worst offensive ballparks for his entire career while Williams made his home in one of the best.

I'd take Bonds any day. If you add in speed and defense, Bonds beats him out by a wide stretch.

I still love Teddy Ballgame though.



OPS+ adjusts for park factor.

Besides fact that Ted Williams' ballpark was much tougher on lefties than righties (compared to Ruth's ballpark which was designed for him).


A nice little side note. The over-shift, used often today against Lefty sluggers (like Bonds and Ortiz), was invented to combat Ted Williams...
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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:05 pm

4Pack wrote:
Tavish wrote:
4Pack wrote:I see Bonds has another day off! Must be tough to get up early from those night games. Yeah nice team player he is.


Please tell me you are just joking. If not that, then you might want to dig a little deeper in to some facts.


Yeah I am joking! I would love to have a teamate that plays when he wants to play ala Randy Moss.

lmao, what a pathetic argument.
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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:29 pm

noseeum wrote:Those supporting Williams are not taking into account one major factor, which is park effect. Bonds has made his home in some of the worst offensive ballparks for his entire career while Williams made his home in one of the best.

I'd take Bonds any day. If you add in speed and defense, Bonds beats him out by a wide stretch.

I still love Teddy Ballgame though.


While that is a valid argument, the park won't help Williams' OBP all that much, which he is #1 all time in.
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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby arod77 » Wed Jul 04, 2007 11:52 pm

This argument is based on yearly average, right?

162 game average
Ted williams

.344 - 37 - 130 188 Hits, 127 Runs scored

Bonds

.299 - 41 - 109 160 Hits, 121 Runs scored

Which wold you rather have?
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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby TitusIII » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:19 am

At their absolute prime? Bonds
Career? Williams
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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby PlayingWithFire » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:27 am

bigh0rt wrote:
4Pack wrote:
Tavish wrote:
Please tell me you are just joking. If not that, then you might want to dig a little deeper in to some facts.


Yeah I am joking! I would love to have a teamate that plays when he wants to play ala Randy Moss.

lmao, what a pathetic argument.


The root of Bonds hatred isn't steroid, it's him being perceived as an ass by the media. That simple.
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Re: Ted Williams vs. Barry Bonds

Postby Mayor Daley » Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:28 am

Williams by far.
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