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Postby stabone76 » Wed Feb 04, 2004 5:58 pm

AuburnTigers wrote:I see your reasoning, but I think 45+ may be stretching it for Julio. He gives up a lot of runs for a closer. If you say he gets 45+ saves then that puts him with Gagne, Smoltz, and Wagner. He is not even close to being in their class


Well if you say he wont end up with 45 because he gives up too many runs, that would relate to a few extra blown saves but a few more wins... eather way, it works for me.

Whether he is up to them or not isnt the question. Sure they are better and may have ERA's up to two runs closer, the question is will he get that many saves and the answer is yes. he could get 45. I would just count on 35-40 though or you will end up disappointed.
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Postby stabone76 » Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:01 pm

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AuburnTigers wrote:I see your reasoning, but I think 45+ may be stretching it for Julio. He gives up a lot of runs for a closer. If you say he gets 45+ saves then that puts him with Gagne, Smoltz, and Wagner. He is not even close to being in their class


The kid is still only 24. Have a look at his 2002 numbers. That wasn't a fluke and is in the Smoltz / Wagner class. 2nd year slumps are very common so expect a big turnaround on his runs allowed in 2004.

He really does have filthy stuff, just ask Nomar, Manny, Jeter and Soriano. They have gone a combined 3 for 30 against him.


and for every 3 for 30 with people like that , you have some nut like Kenny lofton hitting 5 for 6 against him. (that is just an example, dont look up loftons numbers and prove me wrong) its all averages.
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Postby kentx12 » Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:14 pm

Mookie4ever wrote:who do they have in their starting rotation?




Noone. :-D
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Postby monster » Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:27 pm

kentx12 wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:who do they have in their starting rotation?




No one. :-D

well put... :-P
*Sidney Ponson
*Rodrigo Lopez
*Kurt Ainsworth
*Eric DuBose
*Omar Daal
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Postby NZF » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:18 pm

stabone76 wrote:
New Zealand Fan wrote:
AuburnTigers wrote:I see your reasoning, but I think 45+ may be stretching it for Julio. He gives up a lot of runs for a closer. If you say he gets 45+ saves then that puts him with Gagne, Smoltz, and Wagner. He is not even close to being in their class


The kid is still only 24. Have a look at his 2002 numbers. That wasn't a fluke and is in the Smoltz / Wagner class. 2nd year slumps are very common so expect a big turnaround on his runs allowed in 2004.

He really does have filthy stuff, just ask Nomar, Manny, Jeter and Soriano. They have gone a combined 3 for 30 against him.


and for every 3 for 30 with people like that , you have some nut
like Kenny lofton hitting 5 for 6 against him. (that is just an example, dont look up loftons numbers and prove me wrong) its all averages.


Yeah it's called anecdotal evidence (I love using it). By the way good reach on Lofton. He's currently hitting 1.000 off of Julio.
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Postby TownDrunk » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:36 pm

I see 35-40. However, 45 saves is a possibility.
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Postby justinA » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:44 pm

monster wrote:
kentx12 wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:who do they have in their starting rotation?




No one. :-D

well put... :-P
*Sidney Ponson
*Rodrigo Lopez
*Kurt Ainsworth
*Eric DuBose
*Omar Daal

Omar Daal isnt in the starting rotation. He's only a long reliever and a spot starter right now. Riley is the 5th starter.
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Postby NZF » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:55 pm

justinA wrote:
monster wrote:
kentx12 wrote:
Mookie4ever wrote:who do they have in their starting rotation?




No one. :-D

well put... :-P
*Sidney Ponson
*Rodrigo Lopez
*Kurt Ainsworth
*Eric DuBose
*Omar Daal

Omar Daal isnt in the starting rotation. He's only a long reliever and a spot starter right now. Riley is the 5th starter.


Quite right and he is a great sleeper. Looked good when he came up late last year and did have 77 strikeouts in 70 innings in the minors before that.
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Postby stabone76 » Wed Feb 04, 2004 8:56 pm

New Zealand Fan wrote:
stabone76 wrote:
New Zealand Fan wrote:
AuburnTigers wrote:I see your reasoning, but I think 45+ may be stretching it for Julio. He gives up a lot of runs for a closer. If you say he gets 45+ saves then that puts him with Gagne, Smoltz, and Wagner. He is not even close to being in their class


The kid is still only 24. Have a look at his 2002 numbers. That wasn't a fluke and is in the Smoltz / Wagner class. 2nd year slumps are very common so expect a big turnaround on his runs allowed in 2004.

He really does have filthy stuff, just ask Nomar, Manny, Jeter and Soriano. They have gone a combined 3 for 30 against him.


and for every 3 for 30 with people like that , you have some nut
like Kenny lofton hitting 5 for 6 against him. (that is just an example, dont look up loftons numbers and prove me wrong) its all averages.


Yeah it's called anecdotal evidence (I love using it). By the way good reach on Lofton. He's currently hitting 1.000 off of Julio.


I AM A GOD....

actually i guessed Lofton by trying to find somone well known but not great...

oh, and by the way... i said DONT LOOK IT UP!!!
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Postby NZF » Wed Feb 04, 2004 9:01 pm

stabone76 wrote:
New Zealand Fan wrote:
stabone76 wrote:
New Zealand Fan wrote:
AuburnTigers wrote:I see your reasoning, but I think 45+ may be stretching it for Julio. He gives up a lot of runs for a closer. If you say he gets 45+ saves then that puts him with Gagne, Smoltz, and Wagner. He is not even close to being in their class


The kid is still only 24. Have a look at his 2002 numbers. That wasn't a fluke and is in the Smoltz / Wagner class. 2nd year slumps are very common so expect a big turnaround on his runs allowed in 2004.

He really does have filthy stuff, just ask Nomar, Manny, Jeter and Soriano. They have gone a combined 3 for 30 against him.


I know but I couldn't resist! ;-)

and for every 3 for 30 with people like that , you have some nut
like Kenny lofton hitting 5 for 6 against him. (that is just an example, dont look up loftons numbers and prove me wrong) its all averages.


Yeah it's called anecdotal evidence (I love using it). By the way good reach on Lofton. He's currently hitting 1.000 off of Julio.


I AM A GOD....

actually i guessed Lofton by trying to find somone well known but not great...

oh, and by the way... i said DONT LOOK IT UP!!!
LOL
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