dryice wrote:One thing about the japanese method, is that their "casualties" are somewhat hidden. Yes, they don't have pitchers break down in the normal course ot their career, but the ones that can't stand up to their routine get washed out early, and not nearly as common as here in the states are the 30+ pitchers - tend to burn out around 30.
Think that's the general case when pitch counts are ignored. In the majors back in the "old days", the same trends were going on, lot of early burnouts, 30+ burnouts, and the survivors were the ones who were genetically suited for pitching, very good pitchers to begin with so that their "burning down" stats were still pretty good, plus good driving mechanics with the torso, lessoning the load on the arm...like Seaver for instance.
Spot on, great observation!
Matsuzaka definitely has a rubber arm and/or good mechanics even though he throws a large variety of pitches, some of which could be more harmful to his arm if overused. But yeah, he's definitely the exception to the rule, the number of burnout pitchers in Japan is just incredible. Highschool baseball is definitely one of the big graveyards because they don't play league games, only knockout tournaments. And coaches emphasize winning so much that they put their ace on the mound to start multiple games in a row, and there often aren't any rest days scheduled between consecutive games (that'd be for modern day wusses). Yeah, something like that.