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Postby Smooth » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:43 am

I know that wrestling is all fake and pre arranged but the latest thing with Vince being "killed" following Monday's RAW show is totally absurd. Do the fans really think he was killed? No mention of anything on the news? Police investigating "live" on wrestling shows? I will admit that I watch but if one person thinks he was actually killed would absolutely blow my mind.
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:04 am

That's like asking if anyone actually thinks Joe Pesci was killed at the end of Casino. Nobody who watches wrestling thinks it's real, just like nobody who watches soap operas actually thinks they are seeing the turbulent lives of real people.
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Postby Dan Lambskin » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:51 am

Art Vandelay wrote:That's like asking if anyone actually thinks Joe Pesci was killed at the end of Casino. Nobody who watches wrestling thinks it's real, just like nobody who watches soap operas actually thinks they are seeing the turbulent lives of real people.


so Luke and Laura didnt get married in real life :B
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Postby Amazinz » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:48 pm

No but they did make beautiful music together from what I've read... :]
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Postby The Artful Dodger » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:09 pm

Of course, Vince did not "die". The WWE site just doesn't want to break kayfabe and give it away to the average mark, that it's a storyline and nothing but.

At any rate, it is a stupid storyline. You think about the recent deaths in the wrestling community over the past few years, notably Eddie Guerrero, and it's absurd to have a "Who killed Vince?" storyline (much in the vein of "Who ran over Austin?" circa 99-00) and blur the lines between real and kayfabe deaths. WWE television thereafter had dedications to Vince McMahon, much like what happened in the episodes after Eddie Guerrero past away, for example. WWE has been in a ratings slump over the last few years, more or less, and even though Vince's staged death spiked up ratings (more for the WWE brand draft, I'd think), I believe it's going to be a one-off.

These days, I don't care too much about WWE or that watered-down ECW brand that Vince McMahon contaminated. It's all about Ring Of Honor, Dragon Gate, and Pro Wrestling NOAH as far as I'm concerned. ;D
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Postby Pablo975 » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:46 pm

Vince needs a massive shakeup in the creative team at WWE.

The only way the "Who Killed Vince?" angle would've worked would've been if Eddie Guerrero stepped out of that limo on the next RAW to announce he did Vince in. I've discussed with friends before that that would be the biggest angle ever. Can you imagine the shock value?? If Vince could pull that off with a big name wrestler and actually make it work, all legalities not withstanding, he would have me hooked to RAW forever.

I also feel the same thing about Tupac, Elvis, Jim Morrison, etc. Pull that off and that's publicity you could never buy.

But as it stands, and through no fault of our boy Perlick, WWE currently sucks pretty bad. They need some new angles ASAP. Build around Carlito, Edge, Batista, Cena, Umaga, Taker, Kane, Orton, Foley, Benoit, Punk, Lashley, and HHH. Revamp all the rest, and some of those listed, with NEW angles (NOT variations of angles used before with other talent....angles should have a 10 year rule....10 years, you can use it again) or totally new characters. Duece and Domino? Puuuuuuleeease. London and Kendrick? My 9 month old daughter looks tougher than those guys.

But, I will say Mae Young appearances = GOLD. :*)
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Re: To all WWE fans.....

Postby The Artful Dodger » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:46 pm

Pablo975 wrote:London and Kendrick? My 9 month old daughter looks tougher than those guys.


You've never seen their ROH matches have you? Easy to judge that they're lightweights, but they're a lot more entertaining than The Great Khali, the sorriest excuse for a wrestler ever.

My favorite Paul London match ever vs. American Dragon Bryan Danielson:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhob6_ ... aul-london
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Re: To all WWE fans.....

Postby Pablo975 » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:08 pm

Nah, I'm a former hardcore fan who's now a casual fan. I see RAW and usually skip thru Smackdown to see if anything interesting happened (thanks Tivo!), which is uaually a "no". Same for ECW, which I agree is a total waste and it should be given to Heyman, Dreamer, et al to run as they see fit like the old days. I see very little hardcore or "extreme" in the current ECW.

I agree London and Kendrick are talented. Most on the roster are. Shelton Benjamin for one is totally wasted and he can do almost anything in a ring. But, the storylines they are given are the worst. Their characters are given no motivation at all, and that's what I detest.

The reverse is true for Cena. He's a top notch mic guy and character, especially when he was thuggin out...a character you loved to hate. But his ring work is nothing more than average at best.

Khali.....ugh. The guy has NOTHING. No ring skills, no character, no personality. A waste.

When WWE is best is when the blend of ring action and character motivation and angles all gel and they haven't done so since 01-02 or so IMHO. In any book, play, movie or whatever, you HAVE to buy into the characters or the thing doesn't work.

My favorite recent WWE crowd sign - "Triple H, Save Us!" :b
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Re: To all WWE fans.....

Postby Old_Style » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:41 pm

I haven't watched wrestling since WrestleMania X but stumbled upon that episode when they were talking about it and was stunned. I watched a little further and saw the footage of the burnt car and the interview with the investigators. That pretty much sealed the deal on the validity of it.
I wouldn't call it uncalled for. Like somebody said, it's just a soap opera for guys.
What is uncalled for is the fact that Rick Flair is still wrestling. :D
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Re: To all WWE fans.....

Postby Madison » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:18 pm

No, people don't believe Vince really died (at least I hope no one out there bought it). The camerawork with it was pretty good seeing as how RAW is a live show though. ;D

As to the storyline itself, hard to say at the moment what I think of it. Been a wrestling fan my whole life, so I don't get too surprised very often with storylines. Until we find out more, it's too early to say much about this one. I could see it being quite good, or a total bomb. Mostly depends on who "killed" Vince and why. I doubt they drag this out too far. Maybe another week or two. Anything beyond that will start making it stupid and it borders on that already, but still so early that I won't call it a failure just yet. Time will tell, as like I said, this could get really good, or be totally stupid and worthless.
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