C Victor Martinez ($7M club option) 1 Michael Aubrey 2 Josh Barfield 3 Andy Marte SS Asdrubal Cabrera OF Grady Sizemore OF Franklin Gutierrez OF Brad Snyder DH Jhonny Peralta
SP CC Sabathia (re-signed) SP Cliff Lee ($8M club option) SP Jake Westbrook SP Fausto Carmona SP Adam Miller CL Fernando Cabrera
Even without factoring any trades in, I like this team's chances. I'm sure I missed somebody...
I think if anything Ryan Garko would be your DH over Peralta. I doubt Marte is still with the team, even though I would like him to be. Plus if they didn't resign sabathia or didn't pick up Lee's option...they could easily put Chuck Lofgren in that rotation.
outstanding thread...this is the type of insightful commentary that the cafe is noted for...nicely done
i play in a 3 yr cycle fantasy league NL only 13 team so 2010 is a bit of a stretch but the key to leagues like mine is diligent research and some prescienct thoughts regarding possibilities such as are being discussed here...
again, great posts by some learned and enthusiastic baseball fans
C Victor Martinez ($7M club option) 1 Michael Aubrey 2 Josh Barfield 3 Andy Marte SS Asdrubal Cabrera OF Grady Sizemore OF Franklin Gutierrez OF Brad Snyder DH Jhonny Peralta
SP CC Sabathia (re-signed) SP Cliff Lee ($8M club option) SP Jake Westbrook SP Fausto Carmona SP Adam Miller CL Fernando Cabrera
Even without factoring any trades in, I like this team's chances. I'm sure I missed somebody...
I think if anything Ryan Garko would be your DH over Peralta. I doubt Marte is still with the team, even though I would like him to be. Plus if they didn't resign sabathia or didn't pick up Lee's option...they could easily put Chuck Lofgren in that rotation.
I think the Garko bandwagon is going to be losing members left and right by the end of this season. He's made it this far with smoke and mirrors (and a high BABIP), but he's crashing to earth as we speak. AAAA player IMO. I think the tribe is wedded to the idea of Marte (especially after the Phillips incident) and expect him to produce roughly Casey Blake type numbers. And while Lofgren is nice, it's going to be tough to let Sabathia go after 2008 as I think he'll continue to produce at his current rate. The Tribe will finally keep one of their big guns. And despite his failings it's going to be hard to let an average LH (Lee) walk for $8M in 2010 I think.The one possibility I forgot about is moving Martinez to DH and Shoppach to C...
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2B Matt Antonelli CF Eric Byrnes (signed to 3 yr deal starting in 08) 1B Adrian Gonzalez LF Kevin Kouzmanoff 3B Chase Headley SS Khalil Greene RF Chad Huffman/Will Venable C Mitch Canham/Josh Bard
Util Stansberry 4OF Vince Sinsi
SP Peavy Young Hensley Matt Latos Justin Germano/Nick Schmidt
CL Hoffman 75mph fastball 63mph changeup 700 career saves Bell Ring Cameron Rosales Meredith 2 Scrubs that become studs in the pen
jondunc wrote:I think the Garko bandwagon is going to be losing members left and right by the end of this season. He's made it this far with smoke and mirrors (and a high BABIP), but he's crashing to earth as we speak. AAAA player IMO. I think the tribe is wedded to the idea of Marte (especially after the Phillips incident) and expect him to produce roughly Casey Blake type numbers. And while Lofgren is nice, it's going to be tough to let Sabathia go after 2008 as I think he'll continue to produce at his current rate. The Tribe will finally keep one of their big guns. And despite his failings it's going to be hard to let an average LH (Lee) walk for $8M in 2010 I think.The one possibility I forgot about is moving Martinez to DH and Shoppach to C...
I'm not really going to argue with you on any of the points that were made except one. If Lofgren continued to progress the way he is now, I think the Indians would be hard pressed not to keep him over Lee. They are both lefties, and by 2010 Lofgren will probably be where Lee was two years ago. While Lee has done nothing but regress in the past two season. If they have the option between keeping two average lefties at that point, they will probably go with the one that is cheaper.
.333 BABIP is really not all that high for a hitter especially considering it was .333 last year too. The fact his 226 PA's this year almost exactly mirror the 209 PA's he had last year would make me think this is what to expect out of Garko, in fact its almost creepy how similar the two years are.
.333 BABIP vs .333 BABIP .359 OBP vs .358 OBP .470 SLG vs .471 SLG .829 OPS vs .829 OPS .178 ISO vs .176 ISO 6.12 RC/27 vs 6.17 RC/27
Ender wrote:.333 BABIP is really not all that high for a hitter especially considering it was .333 last year too. The fact his 226 PA's this year almost exactly mirror the 209 PA's he had last year would make me think this is what to expect out of Garko, in fact its almost creepy how similar the two years are.
.333 BABIP vs .333 BABIP .359 OBP vs .358 OBP .470 SLG vs .471 SLG .829 OPS vs .829 OPS .178 ISO vs .176 ISO 6.12 RC/27 vs 6.17 RC/27
While I would still say .333 is still an unsustainable BABIP for a player like Garko, it is tough to really argue with those numbers. I had no idea they were that similar. For the sake of argument, though, let's say he can stay right there. Would the Tribe take those numbers over Peralta's or Martinez's? I think either Aubrey or Martinez lock up the 1B slot, leaving Peralta or Martinez as a DH option (assuming Cabrera advances as I expect, of course). To me, Garko just gets lost in the shuffle and is most likely moved to a team expecting him to stay at those levels (a la Crisp).
2008: 37th ranked Yahoo PLUS Rotisserie Public team (24 weeks in top 45, 9 weeks as #1) 2006: 18th ranked Yahoo PLUS Rotisserie Public team (17 weeks in top 35)
jondunc wrote:I think the Garko bandwagon is going to be losing members left and right by the end of this season. He's made it this far with smoke and mirrors (and a high BABIP), but he's crashing to earth as we speak. AAAA player IMO. I think the tribe is wedded to the idea of Marte (especially after the Phillips incident) and expect him to produce roughly Casey Blake type numbers. And while Lofgren is nice, it's going to be tough to let Sabathia go after 2008 as I think he'll continue to produce at his current rate. The Tribe will finally keep one of their big guns. And despite his failings it's going to be hard to let an average LH (Lee) walk for $8M in 2010 I think.The one possibility I forgot about is moving Martinez to DH and Shoppach to C...
I'm not really going to argue with you on any of the points that were made except one. If Lofgren continued to progress the way he is now, I think the Indians would be hard pressed not to keep him over Lee. They are both lefties, and by 2010 Lofgren will probably be where Lee was two years ago. While Lee has done nothing but regress in the past two season. If they have the option between keeping two average lefties at that point, they will probably go with the one that is cheaper.
You make a good point. However, I still think Lee stays where he is (unless he's traded) and turns his regression around at least somewhat. I see him as a slightly better than replacement level pitcher, which I think the Indians will see as a good fit for an $8M salary in 2010. So, if Lofgren continues to progress, I think he'd be more likely to replace Westbrook/Carmona than Lee.
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A few guys have done the White Sox already, but another won't hurt. Unless I missed it, no one seems to have accounted for A Rod, and since the future of the White Sox makes me want to drink a gallon of antifreeze and take a long nap, here goes nothing.
C- AJ 1B- Konerko (will retire in the black and white) 2B- IDK Cintron? SS- Uribe 3B- Fields LF- Anderson CF- Owens RF- Sweeney DH- A Rod ( I know I know, can't afford him, right? well, who the hell can) SP- Contreras SP- Gio SP - Garland SP- Danks SP- Broadway CL- Jenks
Hey, at least in 2010 I will have a 2008 Superbowl Champs and a 2009 Superbowl Champs sweatshirt with the Bears logo on them.
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by Uncle Whiskey » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:10 pm 
For the sake of argument, though, let's say he can stay right there. Would the Tribe take those numbers over Peralta's or Martinez's? I think either Aubrey or Martinez lock up the 1B slot, leaving Peralta or Martinez as a DH option (assuming Cabrera advances as I expect, of course). To me, Garko just gets lost in the shuffle and is most likely moved to a team expecting him to stay at those levels (a la Crisp).
