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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby djxskillz » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:08 pm

yep i own vlad and holliday and i feel more confident in holliday to produce numbers....probably because holliday actually has some protection in atkins and helton and he has great lead off hitters in taveras and matsui whereas vlad has no protection...i also would probably pick holliday before vlad in future drafts
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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby bigh0rt » Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:39 pm

djxskillz wrote:yep i own vlad and holliday and i feel more confident in holliday to produce numbers....probably because holliday actually has some protection in atkins and helton and he has great lead off hitters in taveras and matsui whereas vlad has no protection...i also would probably pick holliday before vlad in future drafts

Figgins has a higher career OBP than both Taveras and Matsui and is a bigger base stealing threat than both. Orlando Cabrera is having a great year coming off of a very solid 2006, OBP of .379 on the year. Gary Matthews Jr. has been a much better player than Atkins not to mention Hawpe's stellar .224 AVG whenever they face a lefty. The Angels also have a better bottom of the order than the Rox do. Not sure where you got Vlad having no lineup around him, unless you just think guys like Kendrick, Kotchman, Willits, etc. are bums but I'd probably take the Angels lineup over Colorado's all day.
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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby djxskillz » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:07 pm

i'd rather have atkins and helton behind me than gary mathews and kotchman....anyday all day.
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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby zhutou » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:16 pm

djxskillz wrote:i'd rather have atkins and helton behind me than gary mathews and kotchman....anyday all day.


yeah.. and i don't see it being close at all. besides, all this talk about leadoff men and protection serves no use in this debate; last year holliday outperformed vlad and this year he is doing so again, so regardless, holliday is the better player, better lineup or not.
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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby bigh0rt » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:18 pm

djxskillz wrote:i'd rather have atkins and helton behind me than gary mathews and kotchman....anyday all day.

I completely forgot about Helton. My mistake.
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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby acsguitar » Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:25 pm

I love holliday long time... just thought I'd make that known
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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby Giambis » Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:48 pm

I think Holliday's performance this year knocks out any question of him being a flash in the pan. He's gotten progressively better in his major league seasons, and for me, the best indication that he's becoming a first round talent is the fact that he's starting to produce on the road as well as at Coors:

Splits (doesn't include today's numbers)

Road: 134 ab's 5 homeruns, 21 runs, 25 rbis, .323 average, and .894 ops
Home: 144 ab's, 6 homeruns, 22 runs, 27 rbi, .396 avg, and 1.094.

I'm in a roto league, so I don't really care about his splits, especially since he's not a free agent until 2010. But either way, I'm encouraged that his numbers BEFORE Coors inflation are pretty darn good. Throw in a few steals per year, and I think he should be drafted where Manny was being drafted in his prime, late first round, early second round.

His last step is to learn how to take a pitch or two.
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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby dclark0699 » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:02 pm

Didn't Holliday produce better on the road than home last year? i don't know without looking u the numbers, but I thought he did
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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby Giambis » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:07 pm

Nah, and it wasn't really close, which was one of the reasons people were slightly lower on him this year (that and the fact that he'd only really been a beast for one season).

2006:

Road:
307 ab's, 49 runs, 12 homeruns, 36 rbis, .280 avg, .819 ops

Home:
295 ab's, 70 runs, 22 homeruns, 78 rbis, .378 avg, 1.13 ops.

Horrifying splits last year. I like the fact that they're slightly closer together this year so far.
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Re: holliday vs vlad

Postby Yoda » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:08 pm

I think my heart is telling me Matt but my head is telling Vlad
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