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by **DevilDriver** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:57 pm

According to this, the filthiest pitch in MLB is Fernando Cabrera's slider .

by **PBRmeASAP** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:02 pm

Although he struggled this weekend in Texas, Francisco Cordero's slider is filthy.

by **Shizane** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:52 pm

King Felix possesses the best slider, changeup, curve and 2-seamer in MLB. His 99mph 4-seamer isn't that bad either!

by **Lofunzo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:01 pm

Shizane wrote:King Felix possesses the best slider, changeup, curve and 2-seamer in MLB. His 99mph 4-seamer isn't that bad either!

Great arsenal for someone with am ERA of 4.41 and a WHIP of 1.47.

by **LukeW9027** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:13 pm

Lofunzo wrote:
Shizane wrote:King Felix possesses the best slider, changeup, curve and 2-seamer in MLB. His 99mph 4-seamer isn't that bad either!

Great arsenal for someone with am ERA of 4.41 and a WHIP of 1.47.

Thats why it isnt all about stuff, we're not saying who has the best rate stats, we're talking about stuff. Kerry Wood had some of the greatest stuff I've ever seen, never had Maddux-esque ERA season.

Also, there is no way Felix has the best changeup on the MLB. Not even close.

by **Lofunzo** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:24 pm

LukeW9027 wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:
Shizane wrote:King Felix possesses the best slider, changeup, curve and 2-seamer in MLB. His 99mph 4-seamer isn't that bad either!

Great arsenal for someone with am ERA of 4.41 and a WHIP of 1.47.

Thats why it isnt all about stuff, we're not saying who has the best rate stats, we're talking about stuff. Kerry Wood had some of the greatest stuff I've ever seen, never had Maddux-esque ERA season.

Also, there is no way Felix has the best changeup on the MLB. Not even close.

I know and I agree. I was being sarcastic. Just forgot the "

".

by **Yoda** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:26 pm

Shizane wrote:King Felix possesses the best slider, changeup, curve and 2-seamer in MLB. His 99mph 4-seamer isn't that bad either!

Somehow I doubt that he has the best of all those pitches in all of MLB.

by RC » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:32 am

No love for Brandon Webb's sinker?

SI did a whole spread on it early last season.

by **Snakes Gould** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:19 am

there was an identical thread about this topic not too long back and then the article about the pitch that was swung and missed the most.

theres SO many different variables that need to be taken into consideration for a discussion like this. Johan's changeup is only as good as it is because of his fastball. Brad Lidge's slider is only as good because of his fastball, etc...If you take a pitch from someone arsenal and put it in someone else's it will have a completely different effect and result, so in all reality, this discussion is all moot. except for cole hamels of course.

George Bush claimed that the federal government was monitoring Cole Hamels actions because, "Any man with a change-up that deceptive must be monitored for national security reasons." In actuality, Bush is afraid Hamels may attempt to have sex with his twin daughters. He already has, twice.