talan37 wrote:if I trade 2 crappy players for 2 studs(even if the other owner doesn't know any better) its going to completely unbalance the league, and I shouldn't be rewarded for trolling for trades/preying on newbies.
Well, it's one thing to veto a trade that's insanely unbalanced. But in the case of my DLee/Holliday for Swisher/Glaus, the player who receives the latter two does get some value. Is it commensurate with what he gave? Nope, but it's not like Swisher and Glaus are scrubs.
And that's the problem I have. As I see other trades that are vetoed - or discussed as vetoable - most seem lop-sided but not absurdly so. I just don't think that players - especially those who are in competition with the traders involved - should be able to cancel deals. Have a commish do that in extreme cases, but 99% of the trades should be accepted...
I hate to use this cliche i see all over this board, but if your in a league where someone will flat out drop holliday, who has been one of the best producers to date in any format, and is widely considered a 2nd round draft pick, you might want to consider finding another league. If someone in my league dropped holliday and someone else picked him up, I would automatically assume that it was collusion, because no owner actually trying to win, and not actively cheating would drop a player like that.
The funny thing is that this guy IS trying to win. He's not a newbie, and he's rejected some decent trade offers. I have no idea what he's doing, and neither does he, obviously, but I see no evidence of potential collusion.
Case in point: the Holliday thing. When our trade was going to be DLee for Glaus/Swisher, he planned to simply drop Holliday. Let's say he'd wanted a buddy to pick up Holliday once this happened. Dropping a player as part of a trade doesn't work in that regard, since the second player won't know exactly when Holliday hits the wire.
In addition, if he dropped Holliday so someone else could get him, he would've refused to include him in the trade with me. Maybe others think this guy is in cahoots with me, but I know that's not the case - I wouldn't know this guy from Adam.
As far as the league itself goes, it's a Yahoo public one. Next year I'll probably look through the independent teams more - or find one here. You can find great players on Yahoo - and incompetents like this guy. But I obviously can't quit now and just give up - I'll change next year...