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Re: What's better to have solid Hitters or Pitchers?

Postby RyeWhiskey » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:18 pm

MaudDib wrote:Like I said before I would go with hitters not because you are out smarting the other managers or going against the curve but because pitchers are so inconsistent. I started with a league aabout 6-7 years ago with 5 keepers and at the time I figured that it would be better to keep 3-4 pitchers and go in to the draft with one of the better rotations. And every year after the draft I would look at my team and think of how good my pitching staff would look like. Then come around all-star break I would notice that 1-2 of those 3-4 SP's I kept would either be on the DL or just not putting up the numbers I thought they should. Now I pretty much keep hitters and I haven't finished below 3rd and I won the league twice. So you can draft pitchers and have one of the best pitching staffs on paper but come all-star break you better hope those guys are still there.

One last thing to think about. If a SP gets hurt and goes on the DL for 6-8 weeks you are likely to lose about 8-10 starts for that pitcher which only gives you about 20 starts. A hitter might go on the DL for 6-8 weeks which is about 150 at bats could leave you with about 400 at bats left. I don't know if this helps much but I would rather have the 400 at bats than the 20 starts.


Fair enough. But in my keeper league (12 team, H2H, 9 keepers), I'm keeping Santana, Peavy, and Cain - that's 3/9 for SPs. I feel that this is a smart tactic given that entering the draft I will have a HUGE comparative advantage in the pitching categories. On top of this, it will allow me to fill in my holes in my lineup while others are scrambling for SPs thereby giving me a further advantage (they're getting mediocre SPs while I'm topping off my lineup with quality hitters).

One can always make the injury argument, but when it comes down to it, I'll take two freakishly nasty SPs who will dominate whenever they play over a great hitter who is one among many.

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Re: What's better to have solid Hitters or Pitchers?

Postby Matthias » Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:29 pm

As others have said, it depends upon league settings.

Generally speaking, hitters are more valuable because they're more consistent. If you're going to make a big bet at a casino, are you going to do it on a long-shot or on black/red? That said, I think there's an elite tier (say, 3-5) pitchers who get downgraded too much because their performance is as consistent as a hitter's. They have slightly more injury risk, but their performance risk isn't much more than A-Rod having a down year. But people think, "hitter hitter hitter" and so ignore them when they shouldn't.

Something to mention about league settings: if there's an Innings Pitched limit, stud starting pitchers become more valuable IMO since they will contribute 20% or so of your entire pitching production.
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Re: What's better to have solid Hitters or Pitchers?

Postby Chicago 2 » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:55 pm

AngryMonkey wrote:
MaudDib wrote:Like I said before I would go with hitters not because you are out smarting the other managers or going against the curve but because pitchers are so inconsistent. I started with a league aabout 6-7 years ago with 5 keepers and at the time I figured that it would be better to keep 3-4 pitchers and go in to the draft with one of the better rotations. And every year after the draft I would look at my team and think of how good my pitching staff would look like. Then come around all-star break I would notice that 1-2 of those 3-4 SP's I kept would either be on the DL or just not putting up the numbers I thought they should. Now I pretty much keep hitters and I haven't finished below 3rd and I won the league twice. So you can draft pitchers and have one of the best pitching staffs on paper but come all-star break you better hope those guys are still there.

One last thing to think about. If a SP gets hurt and goes on the DL for 6-8 weeks you are likely to lose about 8-10 starts for that pitcher which only gives you about 20 starts. A hitter might go on the DL for 6-8 weeks which is about 150 at bats could leave you with about 400 at bats left. I don't know if this helps much but I would rather have the 400 at bats than the 20 starts.


Fair enough. But in my keeper league (12 team, H2H, 9 keepers), I'm keeping Santana, Peavy, and Cain - that's 3/9 for SPs. I feel that this is a smart tactic given that entering the draft I will have a HUGE comparative advantage in the pitching categories. On top of this, it will allow me to fill in my holes in my lineup while others are scrambling for SPs thereby giving me a further advantage (they're getting mediocre SPs while I'm topping off my lineup with quality hitters).

One can always make the injury argument, but when it comes down to it, I'll take two freakishly nasty SPs who will dominate whenever they play over a great hitter who is one among many.

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Very good point, that argument really can go either way depending on how the draft rankings lay out. There are points and I agree where I too would take the good sp over hitter and vice versa.

Somewhat besides the point but one big mistake a lot of people make is in the outfield, they don't realize how deep the position is and if there is a solid pitcher available at the time they still avoid him. So many people draft by need and this usually causes them to fill up their hitters quickly because they feel they have that safety net to catch them when they are scrambling for pitchers.

Myself I would prefer the hitter but I also make sure that when playoffs come that I have a good enough era to win that tiebreaker so I feel comfortable in a relatively close match up.

Im sure this issue has been addressed but whats great about the pitchers rankings every year is that there are always big names like Smoltz, Buehrle etc who are consistent every year and always ranked very low and have good value at their position in the draft.
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Re: What's better to have solid Hitters or Pitchers?

Postby claudish21 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:02 pm

I figure i'd show yopu guys my oppentsroster. He has built his whole team around Pitchers. This is a 10 team 5*5 roto league (10 keepers) He says because the limit is 1500 IP he need as many good picthers as he can get. He may win all of the pitching catagories but i doubt he'll be in the top 3 for the money. He actually Trade Pujols for Papelbon and a 1st pick (4th) & 2nd (17th)

His roster
C
1B
2B
SS
3B
CI
MI
OF Hamilton, Josh CF TEX
OF
OF
OF
OF
UT

SP Hamels, Cole SP PHI
SP Liriano, Francisco SP MIN
SP Peavy, Jake SP SD
SP Santana, Johan SP NYM
RP Chamberlain, Joba RP NYY
RP Putz, J.J. RP SEA
P Rodriguez, Francisco RP LAA
P Street, Huston RP OAK
BN Papelbon, Jonathan RP BOS

MINORS
Upton, Justin CF ARI
Buchholz, Clay SP BOS
Kershaw, Clayton SP LA
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Re: What's better to have solid Hitters or Pitchers?

Postby claudish21 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:11 pm

and here's another team in my league that took all hitters. Not sure team u guys would want but i think the hitter would be better.

C
1B Teixeira, Mark 1B ATL
2B Weeks, Rickie 2B MIL
3B Ramirez, Aramis 3B CHC
SS Ramirez, Hanley SS FLA
CI Berkman, Lance 1B HOU
MI
OF Young, Chris B. CF ARI
OF Bay, Jason LF PIT
OF Guerrero, Vladimir RF ANA
OF Markakis, Nick RF BAL
OF Pence, Hunter CF HOU
UT

SP
SP
SP
SP
RP
RP
P
P

MINORS

Longoria, Evan 3B TB
Bruce, Jay CF CIN
SP McGee, Jake SP TB
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Re: What's better to have solid Hitters or Pitchers?

Postby Chicago 2 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:27 pm

Whats with the whole half roster thing?

Just curious because half the positions aren't even filled.
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Re: What's better to have solid Hitters or Pitchers?

Postby claudish21 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:45 pm

those are the keepers for each team
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