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Postby princethomas » Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:33 pm

A lot of you have said that you like OBP and SLG in place of AVG.

So I have two questions.

1. OPS is the combination of the two. So is ist really a good combo? Or do you prefer to have them both separated?

2. Is this really better than using AVG? I ll have a tough time getting rid of AVG. just because its so traditional. Plus my team owners are all pretty much novice baseball fans.

2b. Can I use both Avg. and OPS? Thats kind of what I planned to do.

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Postby LBJackal » Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:40 pm

I like 6x6, with holds being added for pitchers, and walks added for batters.

I definately recommend holds. They serve 2 purposes:

1) adds a whole other dimension to the game

2) managers who have their closers converted to setup men aren't discouraged, since they'll be getting holds inasted of saves.

Contrary to what was said above, regular 5x5 is:

Hitters: R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG
Pitchers: W, K, SV, ERA, WHIP
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Postby Madison » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:13 am

allyg wrote:Its a tough call to decide which stats to use. Most leagues are 5x5. Five pitching (era, k's, saves, whip & wins) & five hitting (hits, avg., hr,runs and sb).


It's RBI, not hits. ;-)

I prefer to stick to 5x5 roto. :-)
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Postby HOOTIE » Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:19 am

I would drop hits and total bases and keep avg, or switch avg with oba.
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Postby Guest » Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:48 am

princethomas wrote:A lot of you have said that you like OBP and SLG in place of AVG.

So I have two questions.

1. OPS is the combination of the two. So is ist really a good combo? Or do you prefer to have them both separated?

2. Is this really better than using AVG? I ll have a tough time getting rid of AVG. just because its so traditional. Plus my team owners are all pretty much novice baseball fans.

2b. Can I use both Avg. and OPS? Thats kind of what I planned to do.

Thanks a lot
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As I said, I would prefer dumping average, and using OBP and SLG for a 6x6 league. If you want to simplify and stay with a 5x5, then you could replace AVG with OPS. It's a perfectly good combo and has gained a lot of use even among traditional fans. You can remind those that like average that AVG is part of OPS, since it's part of both OBP and SLG.

My league wanted to add a sabremetric stat like OPS, but had enough traditionalists who didn't like the argument above. So, our compromise was to add OPS and keep AVG. It works for us. If you want a balanced league, though, you have to look for a sixth pitching stat. We like holds, but there are definitely other options.
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Postby princethomas » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:27 pm

Is Avg and Hits kinda redundant? I like both. Just wondering if its not really necessary to have both.

Im thinking this way

R-H-HR-RBI-SB-OPS-Avg.

W-K-Sv-H-Whip-ERA-Win%

I like the idea of Holds.That will bring in a bunch of pitchers we never used last year. I like winning % that punishes some pitchers a little bit. But it not like having minus points for losses.

is 7x7 too much or unmanageble?
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Postby thaklanksta » Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:11 pm

We use a 6x6

Runs HR RBI's SB's Avg Walks
Wins K's Saves WHIP ERA Holds
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Postby HOOTIE » Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:28 pm

princethomas wrote:Is Avg and Hits kinda redundant? I like both. Just wondering if its not really necessary to have both.

Im thinking this way

R-H-HR-RBI-SB-OPS-Avg.

W-K-Sv-H-Whip-ERA-Win%

I like the idea of Holds.That will bring in a bunch of pitchers we never used last year. I like winning % that punishes some pitchers a little bit. But it not like having minus points for losses.

is 7x7 too much or unmanageble?


It's not bad. A little much for me, but it's your league. Yes, drop hits. It penalizes guys who don't get 600 abs, plus avg or oba will take care of it.
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Postby GotowarMissAgnes » Wed Jan 28, 2004 8:16 pm

I would drop hits and winning percentage, but that's just my bias.
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Postby trevisc » Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:59 am

avg and hits are not redundant. As a matter of fact when you start using hits as a category guys like Ichiro go way up in value as opposed to using average. Most leadoff hitters that bat .300+ have a higher premium in leagues that count hits.
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