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Postby shortsavage » Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:55 am

wrveres wrote:my black list ...

some of the names have been mentioned already but I usually stay away from these guys every season. Some are new to the list and I will be staying away for '04...


Dunn
Griffey
Drew
Podsednik
Larry Walker
Loaiza
Estes
Beltre
Luis Gonzalez
Nen
Hoffman
Royce Clayton
Biggio


there is probably more ..... but that is just off the top of my head


Didn't a lot of people lose interest in Biggio when he switched to OF last season? And he will not be eligable at 2b this season. So why would he go too early? I was thinking that Biggio could actually be a good sleeper this year.

His above average numbers (and I am saying even for an OF) were not given much attention last season (I saw him slipping in that hill deal in Houston most of the time that he was on Sports Center :-D), but he could put together another 100+ run season (which is not bad for like a 15th round draft pick).
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Postby ramble2 » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:21 am

wrveres wrote:my black list ...

some of the names have been mentioned already but I usually stay away from these guys every season. Some are new to the list and I will be staying away for '04...


Dunn
Griffey
Drew
Podsednik
Larry Walker
Loaiza
Estes
Beltre
Luis Gonzalez
Nen
Hoffman
Royce Clayton
Biggio


there is probably more ..... but that is just off the top of my head


Wow, if you are staying away from Hoffman, probably a bad sign ...

And the best thing that can happen any spring is Griffey mashing home runs. Inevitably someone gets all excited that Griffey is back, and drafts him early hoping that *this* is the year he hits 50.
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Postby Brokentusks9 » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:32 am

wrveres wrote:Luis Gonzalez


Any reason in particular? :-?

I was eyeing TO draft him, but I'm curious to hear your opinion on him.
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Postby wrveres » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:32 am

shortsavage wrote: Didn't a lot of people lose interest in Biggio when he switched to OF last season? And he will not be eligable at 2b this season. So why would he go too early? I was thinking that Biggio could actually be a good sleeper this year.

His above average numbers (and I am saying even for an OF) were not given much attention last season (I saw him slipping in that hill deal in Houston most of the time that he was on Sports Center :-D), but he could put together another 100+ run season (which is not bad for like a 15th round draft pick).


I honestly can't see Biggio bieng a viable fantasy OF. He doesn't steal enough to warrant the loss of RBIS and HRs from the position. If he can maintain a .300 BA he would be at best a two category player. The problem here is that Craig will probably bat .275-280 .. making him a one category OF... You can do much better than that in the 15th round IMO
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Postby TheYanks04 » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:35 am

LGonzo is one bad throw away from major shoulder/arm surgery. I would agree and avoid. He is going to go way too high relative to the risk factor, IMO.
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Postby wrveres » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:42 am

Brokentusks9 wrote:
wrveres wrote:Luis Gonzalez


Any reason in particular? :-?

I was eyeing TO draft him, but I'm curious to hear your opinion on him.


Luis like Trevor has a tear in the shoulder. Luis is just one 'dive' away from getting Tommy John surgery and bieng out till 2006. Compared to where he should be drafted, he is a bad risk. If he falls, which he won't, then he is worth the gamble in the mid teens IMO.

As for Trevor Hoffman. A 40% tear is not a promising sign. The last three years have been "Qualcomm Medical Ward" with this team and i'll stay away thank you.
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Postby TownDrunk » Mon Jan 26, 2004 2:50 am

I'd probably add Barry Zito to the lis as well. Last season, his ERA increased by half a point, his K's were down by 40 compared to the season before, and his wins were down by 9. Losing Tejada hurts the A's offense, which in turn hurts Zito's run support. Some owners have been drafting Zito pretty high.
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Postby wrveres » Mon Jan 26, 2004 3:11 am

Though I would be happy to draft him ... I wouldn't take them in respect to where they will get drafted ..

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Postby Sticky Spice » Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:09 am

I think Luis Gonzalez is a perfect player for the list. BrokenTusks pointed out exactly why - a lot of owners are not realizing or forgetting how tenuous his situation is. I think in earlier drafts he'll still be taken as high as if he's 100%.

I don't agree with Loaiza, though, as veteran owners and casual owners alike are not high on him despite last year. I also don't agree with Biggio. :-t
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Postby Pedantic » Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:29 am

I wouldn't take Sheffield where he is being drafted.
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