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Postby pokerplaya » Thu May 31, 2007 11:35 pm

I actually don't mind Baseball Tonight. I may be alone here, but I deal with there mindless babble because they cover the games and I ultimately find out what I want to know. That's all that really matters to me.
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Postby Mercer Boy » Thu May 31, 2007 11:43 pm

BBTN has gone the way of WWE...more about "entertainment" and less about the sport. I don't watch WWF(E) anymore, and I really don't watch BBTN either.

It's supposed to be about baseball TONIGHT (meaning highlights of games), not:

a) Yankees
b) Red Sox
c) old codger guys yelling at each other over stupid crap and speculation
d) old players/GM's acting like they know what is going on and just creating drama

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Postby Y`s Guy » Thu May 31, 2007 11:59 pm

Orestes Destrade just crashed and burned. Berthiaume brought up how the Rangers and the Royals were battling each other for supreme suckiness and Destarde starts comparing the Rangers to the Texas A&M womens softball team. I literally don't think he ever made a point, either. He kinda saw he wasn't going anywhere and spun out of it to something more insipid. I turned to the Pistons/Cavs...whichled to my local weather forcast.
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Postby Lofunzo » Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:05 am

BlueBandit24 wrote:
Giambis wrote:
wrveres wrote:Sportscenter just spent 10 minutes doing a mock spelling bee with Mike and Mike.
they have reached new lows.

I was half expecting Steve Phillips to jump in and say ..

F O R T U N A T O, Fortunato. :)


Haha. I actually thought that was pretty funny, though they definitely wasted too much time on it. It was either that or have Sportscenter again tell me that Donovan is going to the Magic.

But then again, I consider Mike and Mike one of the only reasons to have ESPN on anymore, so I'm biased.


And it's on the Duece.

Mike and Mike is the only ESPN show I can bare now. What a shame. :~(
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Postby knapplc » Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:26 am

Lofunzo wrote:
BlueBandit24 wrote:
Giambis wrote:
wrveres wrote:Sportscenter just spent 10 minutes doing a mock spelling bee with Mike and Mike.
they have reached new lows.

I was half expecting Steve Phillips to jump in and say ..

F O R T U N A T O, Fortunato. :)


Haha. I actually thought that was pretty funny, though they definitely wasted too much time on it. It was either that or have Sportscenter again tell me that Donovan is going to the Magic.

But then again, I consider Mike and Mike one of the only reasons to have ESPN on anymore, so I'm biased.


And it's on the Duece.

Mike and Mike is the only ESPN show I can bare now. What a shame. :~(


Nice quote, n00b. :-D
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Postby Lofunzo » Fri Jun 01, 2007 11:15 am

knapplc wrote:
Lofunzo wrote:
BlueBandit24 wrote:
Giambis wrote:
wrveres wrote:Sportscenter just spent 10 minutes doing a mock spelling bee with Mike and Mike.
they have reached new lows.

I was half expecting Steve Phillips to jump in and say ..

F O R T U N A T O, Fortunato. :)


Haha. I actually thought that was pretty funny, though they definitely wasted too much time on it. It was either that or have Sportscenter again tell me that Donovan is going to the Magic.

But then again, I consider Mike and Mike one of the only reasons to have ESPN on anymore, so I'm biased.


And it's on the Duece.

Mike and Mike is the only ESPN show I can bare now. What a shame. :~(


Nice quote, n00b. :-D


LOL. I am guilty of a pet peeve of mine. :~(
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Postby paiger » Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:12 pm

Giambis wrote:
wrveres wrote:Sportscenter just spent 10 minutes doing a mock spelling bee with Mike and Mike.
they have reached new lows.

I was half expecting Steve Phillips to jump in and say ..

F O R T U N A T O, Fortunato. :)


Haha. I actually thought that was pretty funny, though they definitely wasted too much time on it. It was either that or have Sportscenter again tell me that Donovan is going to the Magic.

But then again, I consider Mike and Mike one of the only reasons to have ESPN on anymore, so I'm biased.


That would have bee VERY funny if it were 2 minutes not 10+
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Postby Coppermine » Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:54 pm

I just got to read the article and I couldn't agree more. In fact, over the past two seasons, I have found myself just losing interest in Baseball Tonight. I never used to miss it. Now I could care less.

For example, last night the two commentators were Orestes and Vina. I don't know how else to say this, but they suck. Kruk and Phillips are better than them even, but the show has jumped the shark, the second Gammons and Reynolds were no longer part of the lineup. I couldn't even listen to Vina because I was trying to figure out where his tie ended and his "immaculate goatee" began, which by the way has more personality than he does (the goatee that is).

Kruk was fine when Reynolds was there to tell him to shut up or that he was wrong, but now it's true... he's just the loudest. I don't like Orel Hershiser on there either. I'm not sure what it is, but he doesn't have much of a television/sports/news presence.

The solution is to have at least one or two of the insider sportswriters on. I like Kurkjian personally and I always thought he could be Gammons' successor; although nothing could replace Gammons' Diamond Notes... nothing.

What's the deal with the "That's Nasty" segment?

I like Olney too; I don't agree with everything he has to say, but he has a better grasp on what's going on in baseball today than Steve Phillips.

As for replacing Reynolds; I don't know, but you know who I always thought might do well on BSTN? Al Leiter. Anyone?
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Postby buffalobillsrul2002 » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:31 pm

Baseball Tonight has really lost it over the past few years.... now the question is What can do they do to get it back?

The first thing they can do is go with a 4-person panel. One person would be the host (Ravech is fine for this; he does a decent enough job as a host processing the action). The 2nd and 3rd spots would belong to ex-scouts/GMs/inside writers who would talk about the game using statistical or true insider information. The last spot would be filled by an ex-player. THey could talk about the game and what people are doing wrong/right from personal experience. They could also help the audience to get "into the mind" of a hot or struggling player.

Secondly, they need to stop targeting to the "casual fan" market that they always claim to be targeting to. For SC, this is the right market to target to. For BBTN, they need to target the hardcore fans, the guys who sit around and watch baseball 4-5 hours a day, because this type of fan will watch the show.... in order to do this, the show should be better. It should be about baseball, not just Yanks-Sox, or A-Rod/Bonds/Clemens. They should cover at least all of MLB. In addition, they should do a little bit of talking about minor leagues/college/amateur draft (I realize that within an hour segment this could be tough to do, but I think I have a way to fix this).

Thirdly, make the late evening show (10 PM) and the late-night show(the midnight one) cover different content. Now, I still want to see highlightsd from every game in both segments. However, the 10 PM one could focus more on the east-coast teams and the midnight one could focus more on the West Coast. If you want to get crazy, also do a 2 AM/11 PT show focusing almost completely on West Coast baseball.

Problem is, the "casual fans" that I know love BBTN as it is constructed now. They don't want to hear statistical myths; yelling and screaming nonsense is more interesting to them...
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Re: Baseball Tonight has jumped the shark

Postby spamnon » Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:40 pm

why the heck is eduardo perez on this show now? he sounds like a doof when he speaks. he really has no intelligent insight.
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