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Postby Madison » Wed May 30, 2007 1:07 am

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Oh, and I'm aware in the above fence scenario that several parents in today's world would be mad at the guy and chew him out for grabbing their kid and making a big deal about what they feel is nothing


it is nothing, you were kids. I've always been a good kid and don't take a whole lot of risks in general, but it's absolutely unnecessary to chew a kid out over this. A good conversation with the parents would have done just as much if not more good.


First response. What a shocker. :-b

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It is a big deal. It's about respecting other people's property, as in respecting property that isn't yours. Too many parents fail to teach that basic fundamental to their children, so we end up with kids like the one who got shot in the story in this thread, simply because he had no respect for someone else's property.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Wed May 30, 2007 1:12 am

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Madison wrote:
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Oh, and I'm aware in the above fence scenario that several parents in today's world would be mad at the guy and chew him out for grabbing their kid and making a big deal about what they feel is nothing


it is nothing, you were kids. I've always been a good kid and don't take a whole lot of risks in general, but it's absolutely unnecessary to chew a kid out over this. A good conversation with the parents would have done just as much if not more good.


First response. What a shocker. :-b

Ah well. B-)


Too tired to understand :-?


It is a big deal. It's about respecting other people's property, as in respecting property that isn't yours. Too many parents fail to teach that basic fundamental to their children, so we end up with kids like the one who got shot in the story in this thread, simply because he had no respect for someone else's property.


Say if somebody step on your lawn tomorrow, would you be ticked and go all ballistic on him? No you wouldn't. You don't have anger management problem(as far as I can tell). Nicely telling the kids' parents about the kids' wrong doing will have the same effect on what the parents will do. Good parents will still educate the kid, bad parents still wouldn't care.
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Postby Madison » Wed May 30, 2007 1:24 am

PlayingWithFire wrote:Say if somebody step on your lawn tomorrow, would you be ticked and go all ballistic on him? No you wouldn't. You don't have anger management problem(as far as I can tell). Nicely telling the kids' parents about the kids' wrong doing will have the same effect on what the parents will do. Good parents will still educate the kid, bad parents still wouldn't care.


Nah, I wouldn't go crazy on the kid or anything, but I've never cared for my lawn like the guy in question either. :-D

Here's the thing though. The kid should have already been taught better and known better. Doesn't matter if the guy nicely asked the boy to stay off the lawn or if he hurled 4 letter insults at him, it should have been a reminder to the child that he's on property that someone else owns and cares about. And that child should have acted accordingly, not ignored the guy's wishes about his own property. The child is in zero position to have a say so about any of it. Get off the lawn and stay off. Very simple.

Plus, read the story. 5 years of problems with this kid and the kid's parents. Eventually people crack and go nuts, and I'm sure the old guy will have plenty of time to get his head back together and think about exactly what he did while he's in jail (and I've said several times he went overboard and should not have killed the kid).
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Postby pokerplaya » Wed May 30, 2007 1:34 am

Madison wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Say if somebody step on your lawn tomorrow, would you be ticked and go all ballistic on him? No you wouldn't. You don't have anger management problem(as far as I can tell). Nicely telling the kids' parents about the kids' wrong doing will have the same effect on what the parents will do. Good parents will still educate the kid, bad parents still wouldn't care.


Nah, I wouldn't go crazy on the kid or anything, but I've never cared for my lawn like the guy in question either. :-D

Here's the thing though. The kid should have already been taught better and known better. Doesn't matter if the guy nicely asked the boy to stay off the lawn or if he hurled 4 letter insults at him, it should have been a reminder to the child that he's on property that someone else owns and cares about. And that child should have acted accordingly, not ignored the guy's wishes about his own property. The child is in zero position to have a say so about any of it. Get off the lawn and stay off. Very simple.

Plus, read the story. 5 years of problems with this kid and the kid's parents. Eventually people crack and go nuts, and I'm sure the old guy will have plenty of time to get his head back together and think about exactly what he did while he's in jail (and I've said several times he went overboard and should not have killed the kid).


Agreed. However, if there is any reason for the death penalty, I think this is it...do you agree? :-?
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Postby Madison » Wed May 30, 2007 1:52 am

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PlayingWithFire wrote:Say if somebody step on your lawn tomorrow, would you be ticked and go all ballistic on him? No you wouldn't. You don't have anger management problem(as far as I can tell). Nicely telling the kids' parents about the kids' wrong doing will have the same effect on what the parents will do. Good parents will still educate the kid, bad parents still wouldn't care.


Nah, I wouldn't go crazy on the kid or anything, but I've never cared for my lawn like the guy in question either. :-D

Here's the thing though. The kid should have already been taught better and known better. Doesn't matter if the guy nicely asked the boy to stay off the lawn or if he hurled 4 letter insults at him, it should have been a reminder to the child that he's on property that someone else owns and cares about. And that child should have acted accordingly, not ignored the guy's wishes about his own property. The child is in zero position to have a say so about any of it. Get off the lawn and stay off. Very simple.

Plus, read the story. 5 years of problems with this kid and the kid's parents. Eventually people crack and go nuts, and I'm sure the old guy will have plenty of time to get his head back together and think about exactly what he did while he's in jail (and I've said several times he went overboard and should not have killed the kid).


Agreed. However, if there is any reason for the death penalty, I think this is it...do you agree? :-?


You're kidding right? I've seen tons of more deserving people for the death penalty than this guy.

This guy was provoked for 5 years and finally cracked. Not nearly as bloodthirsty, mean, and deserving of the death penalty as some of the other stories around here, and all they got was life in jail.

That said, if by some chance a sentence were to come down and he be given the death penalty (and there's no way that happens), I wouldn't go nuts screaming about how he doesn't deserve it or anything. He will get life due to being provoked and mentally cracking under the stress, which is what happened, so that works just fine for me.
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Postby sportsaddict » Wed May 30, 2007 1:55 am

Guy went totally overboard but the kid shouldn't have acted like such a jerk. In no way shape or form did that constitute murder but if a guy wants you to stay off his lawn, why would you push it? Maybe the kid didn't think it was such a big deal to be on his lawn, but obviously this guy did, so why does he have to act like such a jerk about it? As far as the death penalty thing goes here, I'd let him rot in jail for the rest of his life. My personal feeling on the death penalty is it's more of a punishment to sit in a jail cell for the rest of your life knowing what you did instead of being released of it through death. But that's just my view and I know a lot of people disagree, I just don't want to let this guy off the hook. He seems like he knows he did something terribly wrong, so now I hope he has to live with that guilt for the rest of his life (however long that may be).
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Postby pokerplaya » Wed May 30, 2007 1:55 am

Madison wrote:
pokerplaya wrote:
Madison wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Say if somebody step on your lawn tomorrow, would you be ticked and go all ballistic on him? No you wouldn't. You don't have anger management problem(as far as I can tell). Nicely telling the kids' parents about the kids' wrong doing will have the same effect on what the parents will do. Good parents will still educate the kid, bad parents still wouldn't care.


Nah, I wouldn't go crazy on the kid or anything, but I've never cared for my lawn like the guy in question either. :-D

Here's the thing though. The kid should have already been taught better and known better. Doesn't matter if the guy nicely asked the boy to stay off the lawn or if he hurled 4 letter insults at him, it should have been a reminder to the child that he's on property that someone else owns and cares about. And that child should have acted accordingly, not ignored the guy's wishes about his own property. The child is in zero position to have a say so about any of it. Get off the lawn and stay off. Very simple.

Plus, read the story. 5 years of problems with this kid and the kid's parents. Eventually people crack and go nuts, and I'm sure the old guy will have plenty of time to get his head back together and think about exactly what he did while he's in jail (and I've said several times he went overboard and should not have killed the kid).


Agreed. However, if there is any reason for the death penalty, I think this is it...do you agree? :-?


You're kidding right? I've seen tons of more deserving people for the death penalty than this guy.

This guy was provoked for 5 years and finally cracked. Not nearly as bloodthirsty, mean, and deserving of the death penalty as some of the other stories around here, and all they got was life in jail.

That said, if by some chance a sentence were to come down and he be given the death penalty (and there's no way that happens), I wouldn't go nuts screaming about how he doesn't deserve it or anything. He will get life due to being provoked and mentally cracking under the stress, which is what happened, so that works just fine for me.


Very much serious. I understand the idea of being provoked for years and cracking, but I usually file those under the case of being abused and not walking on someone's lawn.

Again, maybe a regional thing, but I think he is deserving of whomever throws whatever at him. :-t
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Postby pokerplaya » Wed May 30, 2007 1:59 am

For the record, life in jail is just fine with me.
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Postby sportsaddict » Wed May 30, 2007 2:00 am

pokerplaya wrote:
Madison wrote:
pokerplaya wrote:
Madison wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Say if somebody step on your lawn tomorrow, would you be ticked and go all ballistic on him? No you wouldn't. You don't have anger management problem(as far as I can tell). Nicely telling the kids' parents about the kids' wrong doing will have the same effect on what the parents will do. Good parents will still educate the kid, bad parents still wouldn't care.


Nah, I wouldn't go crazy on the kid or anything, but I've never cared for my lawn like the guy in question either. :-D

Here's the thing though. The kid should have already been taught better and known better. Doesn't matter if the guy nicely asked the boy to stay off the lawn or if he hurled 4 letter insults at him, it should have been a reminder to the child that he's on property that someone else owns and cares about. And that child should have acted accordingly, not ignored the guy's wishes about his own property. The child is in zero position to have a say so about any of it. Get off the lawn and stay off. Very simple.

Plus, read the story. 5 years of problems with this kid and the kid's parents. Eventually people crack and go nuts, and I'm sure the old guy will have plenty of time to get his head back together and think about exactly what he did while he's in jail (and I've said several times he went overboard and should not have killed the kid).


Agreed. However, if there is any reason for the death penalty, I think this is it...do you agree? :-?


You're kidding right? I've seen tons of more deserving people for the death penalty than this guy.

This guy was provoked for 5 years and finally cracked. Not nearly as bloodthirsty, mean, and deserving of the death penalty as some of the other stories around here, and all they got was life in jail.

That said, if by some chance a sentence were to come down and he be given the death penalty (and there's no way that happens), I wouldn't go nuts screaming about how he doesn't deserve it or anything. He will get life due to being provoked and mentally cracking under the stress, which is what happened, so that works just fine for me.


Very much serious. I understand the idea of being provoked for years and cracking, but I usually file those under the case of being abused and not walking on someone's lawn.

Again, maybe a regional thing, but I think he is deserving of whomever throws whatever at him. :-t


I think the article spun it to make the kid look innocent... we don't know how exactly he acted, how much he provoked him... either way, he shouldn't have been walking on his lawn if he was asked not to, and this psycho shouldn't have shot him over it. A phone call to his parents or even the police would have been ample enough.
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Postby pokerplaya » Wed May 30, 2007 2:00 am

pokerplaya wrote:
Madison wrote:
pokerplaya wrote:
Madison wrote:
PlayingWithFire wrote:Say if somebody step on your lawn tomorrow, would you be ticked and go all ballistic on him? No you wouldn't. You don't have anger management problem(as far as I can tell). Nicely telling the kids' parents about the kids' wrong doing will have the same effect on what the parents will do. Good parents will still educate the kid, bad parents still wouldn't care.


Nah, I wouldn't go crazy on the kid or anything, but I've never cared for my lawn like the guy in question either. :-D

Here's the thing though. The kid should have already been taught better and known better. Doesn't matter if the guy nicely asked the boy to stay off the lawn or if he hurled 4 letter insults at him, it should have been a reminder to the child that he's on property that someone else owns and cares about. And that child should have acted accordingly, not ignored the guy's wishes about his own property. The child is in zero position to have a say so about any of it. Get off the lawn and stay off. Very simple.

Plus, read the story. 5 years of problems with this kid and the kid's parents. Eventually people crack and go nuts, and I'm sure the old guy will have plenty of time to get his head back together and think about exactly what he did while he's in jail (and I've said several times he went overboard and should not have killed the kid).


Agreed. However, if there is any reason for the death penalty, I think this is it...do you agree? :-?


You're kidding right? I've seen tons of more deserving people for the death penalty than this guy.

This guy was provoked for 5 years and finally cracked. Not nearly as bloodthirsty, mean, and deserving of the death penalty as some of the other stories around here, and all they got was life in jail.

That said, if by some chance a sentence were to come down and he be given the death penalty (and there's no way that happens), I wouldn't go nuts screaming about how he doesn't deserve it or anything. He will get life due to being provoked and mentally cracking under the stress, which is what happened, so that works just fine for me.


Very much serious. I understand the idea of being provoked for years and cracking, but I usually file those under the case of being abused and not walking on someone's lawn.

Again, maybe a regional thing, but I think he is deserving of whomever throws whatever at him. :-t


And also, I don't deny the fact that others may have been more worthy of a harsher penalty. I'm not privy to every case that is out there, but if there ever was a senseless murder, I think this qualifies.
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