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Postby kemper5 » Thu May 24, 2007 1:15 pm

pokerplaya wrote:3.8ERA
1.3WHIP
110K's
10Ws


I too expect close to this. I think his ERA and Whip will rise from prev seasons
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Postby rib217 » Thu May 24, 2007 1:50 pm

why is it everyone seems to think his WHIP will be upper 1.2's or 1.3. If anything i would say his ERA will go up while his WHIP stays pretty low.

something like 3.5 or 3.6 ERA and a 1.2 WHIP
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Postby Bloody Sox » Thu May 24, 2007 2:11 pm

JustAnotherYanksFan wrote:A lot of people are putting up projections pretty similar to what Clemens did the last time he was in pinstripes, which would be a mid-3's to high-4's ERA. Personally, I think Clemens has actually improved since then. I realize that the league switch probably helped him, but your ERA doesn't drop by a run and a half due to league change alone. If you translate what he's done the past couple of years (1.87 ERA, 1.01 WHIP; 2.30 ERA, 1.04 WHIP) to the AL, I think you're going to come out with better numbers then what Clemens did the last time he was in New York.

I'd guess something like this:
120 IP
106 K
35 BB
1.08 WHIP
2.90 ERA


How could he have gotten BETTER since his last tour in NY? He was already a Hall of Fame level pitcher back then regarded as one of the best ever - but now he's 4 years older pitching in a division (and league) that is even better offensively (compared to the NL) than back then.

I see no way he keeps the ERA under 4. I think he'll throw plenty of quality starts, 6 IP, 3 ER, 5K type performances - which would leave him at about 4.50 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, and 100Ks or so.
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Postby KronJon » Thu May 24, 2007 2:31 pm

Deuce wrote:Testing is too stringent, expect a serious decline.



No, it isn't. HGH is still running rampant and there is really no reason not to believe that Roger is still using.
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Postby Strasil42 » Thu May 24, 2007 2:31 pm

dclark0699 wrote:
*Never makes it past the 6th inning in any of his starts and the Yankees actually get worse because of the stress his 5 IP every start puts on the bullpen*


Clemens pitched 5 innings in 6 of his starts last year.

That means he pitched 6 or more innings in 13 of his 19 starts last year.

You say he will only give them 5 IP every start, but the stats say otherwise.
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Postby Strasil42 » Thu May 24, 2007 2:34 pm

Deuce wrote:Testing is too stringent, expect a serious decline.


haha, this coming from a giants fan.

priceless.
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Postby ragged25 » Thu May 24, 2007 3:31 pm

It's very difficult to see Roger having an ERA over 3.50...he might be old, but he's one of the best and most intimidating pitchers ever and I would think that would carry him over some bumps along the way. I say somewhere along 3.3, 3.4 would be about right...6IP 3ER type games with 4 or 5 Ks. I mean the Yanks were desperate, but they are not dumb, and they still think he can pitch, perhaps not to his contract, but it won't be as bad as 3.80 to 4 ERA some have suggested.
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Postby Deuce » Thu May 24, 2007 4:30 pm

Strasil42 wrote:
Deuce wrote:Testing is too stringent, expect a serious decline.


haha, this coming from a giants fan.

priceless.


I thought I'd get a chuckle or two out of it.

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Postby Deuce » Thu May 24, 2007 4:32 pm

ragged25 wrote:It's very difficult to see Roger having an ERA over 3.50...he might be old, but he's one of the best and most intimidating pitchers ever and I would think that would carry him over some bumps along the way. I say somewhere along 3.3, 3.4 would be about right...6IP 3ER type games with 4 or 5 Ks. I mean the Yanks were desperate, but they are not dumb, and they still think he can pitch, perhaps not to his contract, but it won't be as bad as 3.80 to 4 ERA some have suggested.


I think you left out the word 'was'. The minor leaguers have been Teeing off on him during his warm up. He was missing on a few pitches too. He may be due for another warm up, depending on how his bullpen session goes Friday.
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Postby George_Foreman » Thu May 24, 2007 4:36 pm

3.60 ERA
1.27 WHIP
85Ks
9W
110IP
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