We have a guy in our 3 man keeper money league that has already decided to plan for next year. The problem is, he is unloading good players for not so good draft picks. This is the most recent, which I don't think is so bad but it is causing an uproar.
Team A gives:
Cust/Pence and 3rd/8th round picks
Team B gives:
T. Hunter/J. Verlander
Our league allows you keep a rookie by giving up an 8th round pick. The first trade that got vetoed was Cust/Pence for Hunter/Verlander and no picks.
Last edited by markj11 on Tue May 22, 2007 3:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I ain't askin' nobody for nothin, If I can't get it on my own. - Charlie Daniels
This happens all the time in my league right before the deadline. Guys will trade stud players for keepers for next year. If they are not colluding, then I don't see any reason to veto the trade.
That trade actually doesn't look that bad at all. One guy is trying to build for next year and the other is trying to get guys that will help this year. What is the problem? I'd be very frustrated in a league where trades are constantly vetoed.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
I played 4 once with some friends but I couldn't imagine 3.
As for fire sales, I have to agree that its a problem in keepers. I even once traded 5-6 guys for ARod in a Sandbox league, only to have Sandbox go pay to play the next year.
The Cust/Pence for Hunter/Verlander ( I just went back and checked) and no draft picks was the first veto we have ever had. That proposal alerted the comish and everyone that a fire sale had already started and I think now the comish is worried.
EDIT: 10 man 3 keeper
I ain't askin' nobody for nothin, If I can't get it on my own. - Charlie Daniels
It doesn't appear that anything is wrong here. It's the nature of a keeper league. If an owner generally feels he has no chance at winning or competing or whatever this season, he is well within his rights to make any necessary moves that he feels will make his team more competitive next season, provided he isn't destroying the competitive balance of the league or colluding with other owners. Maybe you as a team who is competing don't like him moving players to your competition to make them better, but, you have to live with it, or just play redraft leagues.
bigh0rt wrote:It doesn't appear that anything is wrong here. It's the nature of a keeper league. If an owner generally feels he has no chance at winning or competing or whatever this season, he is well within his rights to make any necessary moves that he feels will make his team more competitive next season, provided he isn't destroying the competitive balance of the league or colluding with other owners. Maybe you as a team who is competing don't like him moving players to your competition to make them better, but, you have to live with it, or just play redraft leagues.
Exactly the rockies trade away good players for garbage every year and that doens't get veto'd
bigh0rt wrote:It doesn't appear that anything is wrong here. It's the nature of a keeper league. If an owner generally feels he has no chance at winning or competing or whatever this season, he is well within his rights to make any necessary moves that he feels will make his team more competitive next season, provided he isn't destroying the competitive balance of the league or colluding with other owners. Maybe you as a team who is competing don't like him moving players to your competition to make them better, but, you have to live with it, or just play redraft leagues.
I agree, the comish thinks this:
The problem I face, guys, is that the league's rules don't contemplate irrational or agenda-oriented trades or the possibility that a GM will throw in the towel and attempt to give away his better players almost before the season begins. That's why we have a commissioner, I reckon, a guy whose duty is to torpedo such things so that competitive balance can be preserved.
I ain't askin' nobody for nothin, If I can't get it on my own. - Charlie Daniels
bigh0rt wrote:provided he isn't destroying the competitive balance of the league
Isn't that exactly what he's doing by trading someone like A-Rod for Lincecum (hypothetical trade)? IMO firesales really hurt leagues, and while they are a part of keeper leagues I hate when they happen.
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by markj11 » Tue May 22, 2007 2:36 pm 
