What do you do about keeper fire sales? - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2015 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

What do you do about keeper fire sales?

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

What do you do about keeper fire sales?

Postby markj11 » Tue May 22, 2007 2:36 pm

We have a guy in our 3 man keeper money league that has already decided to plan for next year. The problem is, he is unloading good players for not so good draft picks. This is the most recent, which I don't think is so bad but it is causing an uproar.
Team A gives:
Cust/Pence and 3rd/8th round picks
Team B gives:
T. Hunter/J. Verlander

Our league allows you keep a rookie by giving up an 8th round pick. The first trade that got vetoed was Cust/Pence for Hunter/Verlander and no picks.
Last edited by markj11 on Tue May 22, 2007 3:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I ain't askin' nobody for nothin, If I can't get it on my own. - Charlie Daniels
markj11
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 2112
Joined: 3 Apr 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Wright here

Postby Yoda » Tue May 22, 2007 2:39 pm

This happens all the time in my league right before the deadline. Guys will trade stud players for keepers for next year. If they are not colluding, then I don't see any reason to veto the trade.

That trade actually doesn't look that bad at all. One guy is trying to build for next year and the other is trying to get guys that will help this year. What is the problem? I'd be very frustrated in a league where trades are constantly vetoed.
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." ~George Carlin
Yoda
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 21344
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: 15th green...

Postby SignGuy » Tue May 22, 2007 2:41 pm

Did you say 3 man keeper league?
SignGuy
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor


Posts: 609
Joined: 14 Feb 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby blankman » Tue May 22, 2007 2:49 pm

SignGuy wrote:Did you say 3 man keeper league?


That was the first thing I heard.

I played 4 once with some friends but I couldn't imagine 3.


As for fire sales, I have to agree that its a problem in keepers. I even once traded 5-6 guys for ARod in a Sandbox league, only to have Sandbox go pay to play the next year. :-[
blankman
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

Graphics Expert
Posts: 10770
Joined: 6 Jul 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Postby acsguitar » Tue May 22, 2007 2:50 pm

Thats not fair?
I'm too lazy to make a sig at the moment
acsguitar
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Graphics Expert
Posts: 26722
Joined: 7 Apr 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Back in General Talk WOOO!!!

Postby markj11 » Tue May 22, 2007 2:56 pm

The Cust/Pence for Hunter/Verlander ( I just went back and checked) and no draft picks was the first veto we have ever had. That proposal alerted the comish and everyone that a fire sale had already started and I think now the comish is worried.

EDIT: 10 man 3 keeper
I ain't askin' nobody for nothin, If I can't get it on my own. - Charlie Daniels
markj11
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 2112
Joined: 3 Apr 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Wright here

Postby bigh0rt » Tue May 22, 2007 3:00 pm

It doesn't appear that anything is wrong here. It's the nature of a keeper league. If an owner generally feels he has no chance at winning or competing or whatever this season, he is well within his rights to make any necessary moves that he feels will make his team more competitive next season, provided he isn't destroying the competitive balance of the league or colluding with other owners. Maybe you as a team who is competing don't like him moving players to your competition to make them better, but, you have to live with it, or just play redraft leagues.
Image
bigh0rt
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterGraphics ExpertMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeInnovative MemberCafe MusketeerWeb SupporterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 24818
(Past Year: 322)
Joined: 3 Jun 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Crowding The Plate

Postby acsguitar » Tue May 22, 2007 3:02 pm

bigh0rt wrote:It doesn't appear that anything is wrong here. It's the nature of a keeper league. If an owner generally feels he has no chance at winning or competing or whatever this season, he is well within his rights to make any necessary moves that he feels will make his team more competitive next season, provided he isn't destroying the competitive balance of the league or colluding with other owners. Maybe you as a team who is competing don't like him moving players to your competition to make them better, but, you have to live with it, or just play redraft leagues.


Exactly the rockies trade away good players for garbage every year and that doens't get veto'd
I'm too lazy to make a sig at the moment
acsguitar
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Graphics Expert
Posts: 26722
Joined: 7 Apr 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Back in General Talk WOOO!!!

Postby markj11 » Tue May 22, 2007 3:03 pm

bigh0rt wrote:It doesn't appear that anything is wrong here. It's the nature of a keeper league. If an owner generally feels he has no chance at winning or competing or whatever this season, he is well within his rights to make any necessary moves that he feels will make his team more competitive next season, provided he isn't destroying the competitive balance of the league or colluding with other owners. Maybe you as a team who is competing don't like him moving players to your competition to make them better, but, you have to live with it, or just play redraft leagues.


I agree, the comish thinks this:
The problem I face, guys, is that the league's rules don't contemplate irrational or agenda-oriented trades or the possibility that a GM will throw in the towel and attempt to give away his better players almost before the season begins. That's why we have a commissioner, I reckon, a guy whose duty is to torpedo such things so that competitive balance can be preserved.
I ain't askin' nobody for nothin, If I can't get it on my own. - Charlie Daniels
markj11
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar

Posts: 2112
Joined: 3 Apr 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Wright here

Postby slomo007 » Tue May 22, 2007 3:03 pm

bigh0rt wrote:provided he isn't destroying the competitive balance of the league


Isn't that exactly what he's doing by trading someone like A-Rod for Lincecum (hypothetical trade)? IMO firesales really hurt leagues, and while they are a part of keeper leagues I hate when they happen.
slomo007
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicEagle Eye
Posts: 11960
Joined: 31 May 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball

Next

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 15 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact