teddy ballgame wrote: Tavish wrote: bigh0rt wrote:
With good reason, too. Now there's by and far, the most overrated pitcher in the history of the game.
Gibson isn't far behind.
I'd like to see an argument for this. I'm not saying he is or isn't overrated, don't know all too much about him other than the record ERA season but I thought your argument against Ryan was pretty solid so I'd be interested in the argument vs. Gibson if you ever have the time (or if you could point me to where you made it before).
Where would you rank Gibson among the greatest pitchers in the history of the game? Just for some comparisons on how some others have voted in the past:
The fan voting in 1999 for the All-Century team had him 5th (Nolan was 1st).
Tom Seaver in his book in 1994 had Gibson 8th without any current pitcher or himself listed (Nolan was 10th).
The Hardball Times did a statistical ranking of pitchers and had Gibson 14th (Nolan 30th).
The Sporting News in 1998 had Gibson 9th with no current pitcher ahead of him (Ryan was 13th).
Gibson was great in the postseason and great in 1968 and 1969. He was very good in most his other seasons. He was a great pitcher overall but certainly not in the same realm as most of the others in the top 10. I have always had him somewhere in the 12-15 range.
8 All-Star Games, 1 MVP, 2 Cy Youngs, 1 ERA title, 1 Win Title, 1 K Title, 2 ERA+ Titles, .
The only categories he makes the top 30 in for his career is K's, BB, and Shutouts (none in the top 10).
His Top 10 most comparable have no players that will make many top 10 lists although almost all are HoFers.
1. Jim Palmer (901) *
2. Jack Morris (885)
3. Amos Rusie (880) *
4. Luis Tiant (876)
5. Bob Feller (871) *
6. Vic Willis (867) *
7. Jim Bunning (861) *
8. Don Drysdale (846) *
9. George Mullin (845)
10. Juan Marichal (844) *