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What exactly did Alex Rios do to John Gibbons?

Postby mweir145 » Mon May 14, 2007 3:28 pm

I thought this was fairly odd yesterday when it happened, but I just assumed Alex Rios was sick or hurt, or something along those lines. It turns out that wasn't the case at all.

With the Blue Jays looking for a sweep of the Devil Rays on Sunday, manager John Gibbons did not start Alex Rios in right field, and also declined to use him as a pinch-hitter late in the 2-1 loss. After the game, his decision-making was called into question.

As reported in both Monday's Toronto Sun and Toronto Star, the decision not to use the Rios, who leads the team in home runs and is second in RBI is baffling to say the least. In the bottom of the eight inning, with the Jays trailing 1-0, catcher Jason Phillips was due up to start the inning, but instead Gibbons sent up light-hitting John McDonald to pinch-hit. McDonald came to the plate with one hit in his past 25 at-bats and promptly hit a weak grounder back to the pitcher for the out.

Statistically at least, Phillips has more power than McDonald, so it is strange that if he did not want to use Rios, why he would not have just left Phillips in to face
reliever Brian Stokes. After the game, Gibbons dodged any questions about his decision.

Why pinch hit for Phillips?

"I've got my reasons," he said.

Would you like to share them?

"No, I'd rather not. You don't need to know everything," Gibbons said.

Maybe Rios was hurt and unavailable for duty?

"No, uh-uh," Gibbons grunted.

Why use McDonald?

"I told you, I have my reasons," Gibbons said.

There was another question about Rios being healthy.

"He's fine, he's fine. I just chose to do it that way that time," Gibbons said.

Rios was unable to shed any light on the subject. Asked why he didn't start, he replied: "I have no clue."

Could he have pinch-hit?

"Yeah, of course," Rios said.

Are you healthy?

"Everything's good. It's all good," he said.

If the Jays are expected to turn this season around, Rios needs to be in the lineup, and at this point it is still a mystery as to why he wasn't given a chance to help the team sweep it's first series since last September.


:-? :-? :-?

First of all, pinch hitting with John McDonald is something that should never happen in a major league game. The guy is basically the worst hitter in the entire American League. Second of all, pinch hitting with somebody like Alex Rios sitting on the bench (who actually had a pinch hit HR last week) is even more dumbfounding. Seriously, what could his reasons have been? Did he get in another fight with a player? Gibbons isn't going to last the season, IMO.

Has anybody ever seen a situation this puzzling in terms of a manger's decision making?
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Postby Yoda » Mon May 14, 2007 3:31 pm

From what I gather, Gibbons is a guy who lets his emotions get the best of him. Doesn't surprise me at all that he is making irrational moves. I personally don't think he should be the manager of any MLB team but apparently Ricciardi likes him.
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Postby acsguitar » Mon May 14, 2007 3:45 pm

Yoda wrote:From what I gather, Gibbons is a guy who lets his emotions get the best of him. Doesn't surprise me at all that he is making irrational moves. I personally don't think he should be the manager of any MLB team but apparently Ricciardi likes him.


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Postby jbauer2485 » Mon May 14, 2007 3:50 pm

John Gibbons should not have a job right now.
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Postby shasty mcnasty » Mon May 14, 2007 4:02 pm

Yoda wrote:From what I gather, Gibbons is a guy who lets his emotions get the best of him. Doesn't surprise me at all that he is making irrational moves. I personally don't think he should be the manager of any MLB team but apparently Ricciardi likes him.


figures...with the GM's ridiculous lies about BJ Ryan, and now the manager benching and choosing not to pinch hit Rios, and then refusing to divulge his "reasons", it seems like the two of them were made for eachother... :-t





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Postby Madison » Mon May 14, 2007 5:13 pm

Is there any benefit to the coach airing the clubhouse's dirty laundry? I mean if Rios had an altercation with another player, or the coach, or whatever happened, is there a benefit to dropping their pants and showing their naked butts to the world?

Evidentally something happened, and with the way the media is, I'm sure someone will turn up a detail or two.
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Postby jbauer2485 » Mon May 14, 2007 5:22 pm

Madison wrote:Is there any benefit to the coach airing the clubhouse's dirty laundry? I mean if Rios had an altercation with another player, or the coach, or whatever happened, is there a benefit to dropping their pants and showing their naked butts to the world?

Evidentally something happened, and with the way the media is, I'm sure someone will turn up a detail or two.


Normally that's fine, but there have been multiple incidents with Gibbons, which leads me to believe he's a terrible manager and something is wrong with that clubhouse.
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Postby Zito is God » Mon May 14, 2007 5:47 pm

This guy is a clown who has been putting himself in front of the team's needs for years. He just needs to go coach college ball where this may actualy be acceptable.
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Postby PlayingWithFire » Mon May 14, 2007 5:51 pm

Has anybody ever seen a situation this puzzling in terms of a manger's decision making?


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Postby SpecialFNK » Mon May 14, 2007 5:53 pm

how Gibbons still has a job is amazing to me.
2 things just off the top of my head in which he has had big time altercations.
challenging a fight with Ted Lilly in the clubhouse after removing Lilly from a game, and then getting into an argument with Shea Hillenbrand before the Jays sent Hillenbrand packing.
i think its time to send Gibbons packing, its not like hes doing any good in Toronto.
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