It's time to change the Win rule for pitchers!

[bigh0rt]

This is why they have the stat "Quality Start" ...

My thoughts as well.

[WickedSmaat]

That's not just the way it is. There is a proviso in the rules to give it to the most deserving but they never do it. They need to start using this provision.

I remember reading the rules a couple weeks ago, but this only applies to relief pitchers and it only applies in a situation where the starting pitcher lasted less than 5 full innings with 6 or more on defense(or 4 in 5 inn, covered under 10.17(b)):

http://www.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/of ... rer_10.jsp

10.17 Winning And Losing Pitcher
(a) The official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher that pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, unless
(1) such pitcher is a starting pitcher and Rule 10.17(b) applies; or
(2) Rule 10.17(c) applies.
Rule 10.17(a) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the winning pitcher is concerned. Once the opposing team assumes the lead, all pitchers who have pitched up to that point and have been replaced are excluded from being credited with the victory. If the pitcher against whose pitching the opposing team gained the lead continues to pitch until his team regains the lead, which it holds to the finish of the game, that pitcher shall be the winning pitcher.
(b) If the pitcher whose team assumes a lead while such pitcher is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which such pitcher is removed from the game, and does not relinquish such lead, is a starting pitcher who has not completed
(1) five innings of a game that lasts six or more innings on defense, or
(2) four innings of a game that lasts five innings on defense, then the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the relief pitcher, if there is only one relief pitcher, or the relief pitcher who, in the official scorer’s judgment was the most effective, if there is more than one relief pitcher.
Rule 10.17(b) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 10.17(b) that a relief pitcher pitch at least one complete inning or pitch when a crucial out is made, within the context of the game (including the score), in order to be credited as the winning pitcher. If the first relief pitcher pitches effectively, the official scorer should not presumptively credit that pitcher with the win, because the rule requires that the win be credited to the pitcher who was the most effective, and a subsequent relief pitcher may have been most effective. The official scorer, in determining which relief pitcher was the most effective, should consider the number of runs, earned runs and base runners given up by each relief pitcher and the context of the game at the time of each relief pitcher’s appearance. If two or more relief pitchers were similarly effective, the official scorer should give the presumption to the earlier pitcher as the winning pitcher.
(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.
Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.

[noseeum]

Yeah, change your league rules to QS if you don't like Wins. A win is still a win. You can't give a win to a guy when the team is losing after he leaves the game.

That makes no sense at all. Doesn't matter if he left with the lead. If the lead was lost by some other guy, the win is gone. Don't change the stat to fit your desire. Use a different stat.

[George_Foreman]

Chad Paronto came in to the game tonight in the 6th with 2 outs and Raphael Furcal on 1st. His first pitch was a pitchout, resulting in Salty throwing out Furcal in his attempt to steal 2nd. Paronto was lifted for a pinch hitter in the bottom half of the inning as Atlanta mounted a rally to come back and win the game.

So Paronto got the win, and his only pitch was a pitchout.

Talk about a broken stat.

(On another note, would-be basestealers (including speedsters Raphael Furcal and Juan Pierre) are now 0-3 against Saltalamacchia. Man, I'm getting excited about this kid!)

[NZF]

Yeah, change your league rules to QS if you don't like Wins. A win is still a win. You can't give a win to a guy when the team is losing after he leaves the game.

That makes no sense at all. Doesn't matter if he left with the lead. If the lead was lost by some other guy, the win is gone. Don't change the stat to fit your desire. Use a different stat.

[Half Massed]

Chad Paronto came in to the game tonight in the 6th with 2 outs and Raphael Furcal on 1st. His first pitch was a pitchout, resulting in Salty throwing out Furcal in his attempt to steal 2nd. Paronto was lifted for a pinch hitter in the bottom half of the inning as Atlanta mounted a rally to come back and win the game.

So Paronto got the win, and his only pitch was a pitchout.

Talk about a broken stat.

(On another note, would-be basestealers (including speedsters Raphael Furcal and Juan Pierre) are now 0-3 against Saltalamacchia. Man, I'm getting excited about this kid!)

I'm pretty sure there have been instances of a guy coming into pitch with two outs and a man on first and picking him off before he throws a pitch to get the win.

[daullaz]

Chad Paronto came in to the game tonight in the 6th with 2 outs and Raphael Furcal on 1st. His first pitch was a pitchout, resulting in Salty throwing out Furcal in his attempt to steal 2nd. Paronto was lifted for a pinch hitter in the bottom half of the inning as Atlanta mounted a rally to come back and win the game.

So Paronto got the win, and his only pitch was a pitchout.

Talk about a broken stat.

(On another note, would-be basestealers (including speedsters Raphael Furcal and Juan Pierre) are now 0-3 against Saltalamacchia. Man, I'm getting excited about this kid!)

I say give the win to Salty!

[NZF]

Chad Paronto came in to the game tonight in the 6th with 2 outs and Raphael Furcal on 1st. His first pitch was a pitchout, resulting in Salty throwing out Furcal in his attempt to steal 2nd. Paronto was lifted for a pinch hitter in the bottom half of the inning as Atlanta mounted a rally to come back and win the game.

So Paronto got the win, and his only pitch was a pitchout.

Talk about a broken stat.

(On another note, would-be basestealers (including speedsters Raphael Furcal and Juan Pierre) are now 0-3 against Saltalamacchia. Man, I'm getting excited about this kid!)

I'm pretty sure there have been instances of a guy coming into pitch with two outs and a man on first and picking him off before he throws a pitch to get the win.

Of course there has and isn't it ridiculous. Change the rules to give it to the most deserving pitcher on the winning team to be decided by the official scorer.

[Madison]

Surprised this didn't get bumped. Lidge's line tonight:

1/3rd of an inning, K, WIN!

[NZF]

I've got no problem with Lidge getting the win, he was just as deserving as any other Astros pitcher. My gripe is when a reliever pitches badly, gives the lead away and then happens to be the recipient of a vultured win thanks to his teams offense exploding in the right inning. Give it to the starting pitcher if he's gone at least 5 and has left with the lead.