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It's time to change the Win rule for pitchers!

Postby NZF » Sun May 06, 2007 9:52 pm

I've had an unbelievable run of quality starts from my pitchers this week that have ended up as no decisons. Hudson, Haren, Moyer, Guzman, Colon to name but a few. However I can put up with this lack of run support and simply put it down to bad luck.

But what especially galls me is when my SP leaves the game with a lead and the bullpen blows up and gives it back. It is especially annoying when the MR responsible somehow vultures the WIN. ie. Chad Qualls the other day after Wandy Rogriguez dominated for 7 innings and left with a two run lead late in the game against Cincy.

In this situation when the team does win the game the official scorer should have the ability to credit the win to the most deserving pitcher. Obviously in this instant, Wandy. I think there may be a proviso for this in the rules but it is never adhered to. It's always the pitcher that is last used before a team takes the lead for the final time that gets credited with the win. No matter how badly they've pitched.

It's time to change the rules.
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Postby jfg » Sun May 06, 2007 10:27 pm

Yeah there is a provision in the rules. If a pitcher does not pitch well enough to earn the win it can be credited to another pitcher.

I don't know if you can change the rules drastically though. The record books would have a lot of asterisks, and it would be like the way the record book separates pre-post dead ball era records.

The provision should be used in games where one pitcher gives up 3 or more runs in one inning, and then the team gets the lead back. Then it should go to the former pitcher, or a pitcher who might have come in to relieve the other one. I've seen the provision used before (I think the Twins might have had it happen last year). It should be used more often.
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Postby A Fleshner Fantasy » Sun May 06, 2007 10:31 pm

The problem is, then you're just leaving another part of the game up to judgement.
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Postby Amazinz » Sun May 06, 2007 10:32 pm

The provision is used but it only applies to relief pitchers. Also the team needs to be winning. I definitely see your point about the shortcomings of the Win stat but the rule would have to be changed dramatically.
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Postby sportsaddict » Sun May 06, 2007 11:04 pm

A Fleshner Fantasy wrote:The problem is, then you're just leaving another part of the game up to judgement.


Exactly. Who's to say the starting pitcher deserved a win? What if he goes 6 innings and lets up 4 runs... who decides if that's a good game or not? Just another thing left to judgment. The rule is fine the way it is, there's no need to change anything.
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Postby wrveres » Sun May 06, 2007 11:10 pm

This is why they have the stat "Quality Start" ...
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Postby NZF » Sun May 06, 2007 11:18 pm

sportsaddict wrote:
Exactly. Who's to say the starting pitcher deserved a win?


The official scorer.

No way Chad Qualls deserved a win the other day for the shambolic inning he pitched. Wandy deserved it but got shafted.

Change the rules.
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Postby NZF » Sun May 06, 2007 11:19 pm

wrveres wrote:This is why they have the stat "Quality Start" ...


No way that justifies it.
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Postby sportsaddict » Sun May 06, 2007 11:25 pm

NZF wrote:
sportsaddict wrote:
Exactly. Who's to say the starting pitcher deserved a win?


The official scorer.

No way Chad Qualls deserved a win the other day for the shambolic inning he pitched. Wandy deserved it but got shafted.

Change the rules.


Also, it works both ways... if a guy goes 5 innings and allows 7 runs but still leaves with the lead, he gets a win. If a guy goes 8 innings, lets up no runs, but gets his win blown by the bullpen, it's not a win. So everything should even out because there are games that you get wins where you don't deserve it, and there are games that you don't get wins where you deserved it. Just the way it is.
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Postby NZF » Sun May 06, 2007 11:33 pm

sportsaddict wrote:
NZF wrote:
sportsaddict wrote:
Exactly. Who's to say the starting pitcher deserved a win?


The official scorer.

No way Chad Qualls deserved a win the other day for the shambolic inning he pitched. Wandy deserved it but got shafted.

Change the rules.


Also, it works both ways... if a guy goes 5 innings and allows 7 runs but still leaves with the lead, he gets a win. If a guy goes 8 innings, lets up no runs, but gets his win blown by the bullpen, it's not a win. So everything should even out because there are games that you get wins where you don't deserve it, and there are games that you don't get wins where you deserved it. Just the way it is.


That's not just the way it is. There is a proviso in the rules to give it to the most deserving but they never do it. They need to start using this provision.
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